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But again, how do we even know that the disciples existed? Seeing that there are also multiple attestions of the Immortal Al-Khidr existing. This isn't enough reason to believe that he did exist.
Bring in the evidence, just don't assert it. The record of the writers in the NT are multiply attested in 27 books which is a better record than for anyone in antiquity, so if you are going to throw out the evidence of the NT, you will have to throw out all of antiquity. That's why no credible historians use your approach. You're on the fringe and considered of no account.
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The Two Sources hypothesis is not my idea. You can argue with them, but their argument is that the synoptic gospels have way too much in common to be considered independant, I completely agree with this.
I see no reason to believe that. You would expect there to be much in common since they are suppose record a lot of the same events because they spent a lot of time together.
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Here is all the information you need of the splitting of the moon By Muhammed
You'll also want to account for the Japanese Attestations of their own mythical history:Nihon Shoki
Like I said, put up the evidence. If you think someone else has a strong a case as we have for the accounts in the New Testament, then show it. Until then you're just blowing smoke.
Far off in the distance illusions can account for moon splitting. That is a legitimate naturalistic explanation. No such naturalistic explanation fits the data for the eyewitness appearances of Jesus. The disciples died for their eyewitness testimony, so they truly believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead.
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- Kokki, 620
- Tennōki, 620
- Teiki, 681
- Iki no Hakatoko no Sho, a historical record used as a reference in the compilation of Nihon Shoki
- Kojiki, 712
- Takahashi Ujibumi, ca.789
Also you'll have to naturalisticly explain the miracles of Baba Ram Rai
Here's a fascinating list of historic, linguistic and geographic evidences that the book of Mormon is true.
Show me where these things are as well multiply attested like we see in God's word as well as any claim of being the uncreated Creator. Anyone can believe in any god they like, but that doesn't make it true. Your links provide such sparse information it's hard to believe anyone could hang their hat on that.
Joseph Smith was shown to be a liar when he interpreted an Egyptian burial as a sacrifice. There are no ancient historical links to the Jews. Comprehensive sampling of DNA from North American Indians show unequivocally that American Indians are of Asian descent, not Jewish. Nobody ever saw the gold plates. Those that said they did later said they made it up and eventually left Mormonism. His prophecy failed for when Jesus would return. His temple did not get built where he said it would. His criminal activities, scamming people and adultery are not characteristic of a man of God. And his disagreeing with God's word on so many points, even exalting himself above Jesus, seals his everlasting torment in Hell.
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You say that the fundamental forces need a cause, because everything has a cause, but scientifically the fundamental forces are the "trillions and trillions" of causes of everything. So what proof is there that they need a cause if they are the trillions of causes themselves?
The problem with your theory of claiming there was an always existing set of fundamental laws that cause everything is that you would have happened already having had an eternity to do so. Whereas God is outside of time and space, thus able to bring the universe into existence without being subject to the problems of infinite regress.
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I'm a determinist, so I don't really believe that there is such a thing as free-will, not in the way you understand it anyway. It seems apparent to me that our minds give us the illusion of having free-will, by telling us that we wanted to do something after we do it. The reason I think this way is because there is no evidence to suggest that humans can manipulate the laws of nature with our minds in anyway and seeing that there is no evidence that we are supernatural beings and that there is only evidence that we are natural, then we do not have control over the natural laws of our minds. However, we still have to explain the illusion of free-will, which is what personality psychology does.
Since we have proven God exists who necessarily must employ His free will to create the universe, and He makes us in His image, then we have free will also. Nature gives us a number of options in any given scenario.
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I want to point out that saying that a scientist says that the chance is 1/10^40,000 and then saying that it's not possible is a paradox. If the chance is 1/10^40,000 then there is a chance, but it's only very small. That's how probabilities work.
You're misunderstanding. If there is only 10^110 interatomic interactions in the history of a universe 30 billion years old, twice as old as our known universe, yet there is only a 1 in 10^40,000 chance of life spontaneously coming into being, then this showing it is impossible for life to come into being without the hand of God. No chance whatsoever!
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Again, as fundamental interactions are the causes of everything, we'll need to understand how time works at that level before we can make any assumptions about infinite regress. This article is a study on how time actually works at the quantum level. Currently the theory on how time works at that level is called Imaginary Time. Imaginary Time runs in a direction different from the type of time we experience. In essence, imaginary time is a way of looking at the time dimension as if it were a dimension of space: you can move forward and backward along imaginary time, just like you can move right and left in space.
Whether imaginary time is real or imaginary is irrelevant, because it could not have always existed. Why? Because a mind is needed to create a mind. That which has no self-consciousness or God-consciousness could never give life to self-conscious, God-conscious beings. Therefore, God supersedes your imaginary time. You can't even admit it into evidence anyhow because it is admittedly unproven anyway.
Realize you will spend eternity in Hell. Just be honest with yourself that is what you want. These people are real. You're shallow in your thinking.
The power of not relying on our own strength! But the strength and life of the one who created us.