Did Jesus Confirm a Covenant for 7 Years Split Up by Two 3 1/2 Year Periods?

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Originally Posted by lawrenceb

Since the sacred text further tells us that at his ascension Christ “sat down” (Hebrews 1:3) at the right hand of the Father, we see this “holy place” is definitely associated with the “temple” in heaven. This means that any earthly temple, whether it presently stands, or is rebuilt in the future, can never contain the “holy place” spoken of in Scripture.

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"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2.4). This 3rd Temple will remain unscathed during the Tribulation (Rev. 11.2). Such was not true during 70 AD (Dan. 9.26).

This Antichrist is "that man". He is not a spirit, but a person. He sits where? Not in Jesus. Not in a person, for he is a person. A person can't indwell another person. He is not in heaven. Where then can he be but in the 3rd Temple during the Tribulation?

Is there a temple in heaven? Where? There is the New Jerusalem that will come down, but it has no temple, for when God and the Lamb are the center of the New City on earth there is no need of a temple after the millennial reign.

Sometimes, well usually, I think people who hold your view are anti-semitic because you show a great disdain for the Jews, our little brother. Jesus said how you treat our little brother, He will treat you. Christians see the Temple on earth for Jesus needs a place to reign from for 1000 years, but this is not mutually exclusive of our temple or the temple Jesus was speaking He would raise the 3rd day. God never does things in a jerky fashion but transitions from one dispensation to the next. Jesus even let the Jews continue their sacrifices till 70 AD but not thereafter until the Tribulation. The Sabbath had ended, the Apostles fellowshipped on Sunday, but still managed to find time to go into the Jewish Synagogues on the Sabbath days as well. The millennial reign is a transition from this dispensation of grace to eternity future in the New City. The 1000 years is when Jesus reigns with a "rod of iron". He does not reign with a rod of iron now, nor will He need to do so in the New City and New Earth after the 1000 years. The millennial kingdom is not mutually exclusive of the kingdom of God in spiritual Christians and the kingdom of heaven by our outward conduct. The kingdom of heaven has three aspects: conduct, outward appearance of Christendom (which includes false Christians), and the reigning in the millennial-kingdom-to-come. The kingdom of heaven, reigning in the millennial kingdom, ends in a 1000 years from now, but the kingdom of God continues on in the New City and New Earth thereafter.

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Agenda continue to seek to revive the Old Testament system of temples and sacrifices.

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Judaism seeks to revive the OT sacrifices. That doesn't mean God is pleased with this. You seem to be under some mistaken assumption that Christians want to reinstitute the animal sacrifices either during the Tribulation or during the millennial reign of Christ on earth. The fact that you argue this which we don't believe in shows you don't get what's going on.

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The tacit approval of the Jewish-Supremacists in the Judaeo-Christian “church” that claims the Jews are still the chosen people.

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I see your Jewish hatred is hard at work. You would have made a good Nazi. Just as many nations, the sheep nations (good nations) in Matt. 25.31-46, will be preserved so will God's chosen nation which is Israel that will be the center of all nations centered at Jacob's ladder to the heavens. Still though any individual in Israel to be saved must receive Christ. Israel does not disappear as evident they are hear today and the promise has been fulfilled the people of Israel will return to the land. Consider this. Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days takes us to what month and year? If you add it up it takes us literally to May, 1948. Therefore, there should be no question in your heart, God wants to save the nation of Israel. However, since Israel forsook their covenant, God gave it to the the Church to possess beforehand, before He returns. Only then will a remnant of Israel (Rev. 7.1-8) be saved.

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This “abomination” has already occurred many times, but it can still have more manifestations in which the harlot church takes yet another step towards the same heresy.

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The Antichrist comes on the "wings of abomination one that make desolate" (Dan. 9.27). Does Jesus ride on the wings of abomination? God forbid NO! God allows the Antichrist, the prince of the Romans, to cause massive destruction and make desolate. Jesus not the Desolator.

"Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the continual burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate" (Dan. 11.31). Forces from a non-Jewish man shall profane the Jewish temple and take away the daily sacrifice. The abomination at the end of this age will be "an image to the beast [Antichrist], which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he [False Prophet] had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed" (Rev. 13.14,15).

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-- Brother James

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I don't consider you my brother because when the Antichrist is revealed and erects himself in the Temple, you admit you will consider him Jesus since to you there is no Antichrist who will do such a thing.

Re: Linker @ talkesjesus.com

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Originally Posted by Linker

The Lord is the first “He” in Daniel 9:27, and the other prince is the second “he” repeating the same sequence of actions given in Daniel 9:26

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This first "he" in Dan. 9.27 is the Antichrist. Jesus already died on the cross back in the first part of verse 26. Would you have Him die again? The second "he" in Dan. 9.27 is still the Antichrist. The "people of the prince that shall come" (v.26) are the Romans, and that prince has yet to arrive on the scene at the end of this age. This phrase is used to indicate that the Romans are of the same evil spirit as the Antichrist Neron Kaisar (666 in Aramaic) who will be resurrected at the end of this age out of the pit the Bible says.

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This other prince will not “confirm the covenant” [Isaiah 11; 27:13; Matthew 24:29-31; Jeremiah 31:31-47; Zechariah 13:8-9; Romans 11:25-36], but will come to desecrate

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The Antichrist does confirm "A covenant" not The Covenant. The people of the Antichrist destroyed the Temple in 70 AD (v.26), but in the Great Tribulation the Antichrist will erect himself as though he is God (2 Thess. 2.4) in the 3rd Temple which will remain unharmed (Rev. 11.2).

When this happens the Holy Spirit tells me many will accept this Antichrist as being Jesus.

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Originally Posted by Linker

All of the visions of the Bible prophets are 100% consistent regarding the topic of this post ..... all of them

I can list them all for you if you like

Here is one example:

Daniel
9:27 And he [Jesus Christ] shall confirm the covenant [Jeremiah 31:31-37] with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he [the Assyrian] shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Micah
5:5 And this man [Jesus Christ] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

5:6 And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders.

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It's not clear how you are interpreting this, but let me say these few words.

Micah 5.5 says "Assyrians" (NLT) not Assyrian. My NLT Life Application Study Bible says for Micah 5.5, "The Assyrians symbolically refer to all nations in every age that oppose God's people." Though Islamic countries partake in invading Israel with the revived Roman empire, there is no reason to believe the Antichrist is an Assyrian. Nero is not an Assyrian but comes from the 7 hilled city of Rome.

Micah 5.6 says "Assyrians" not Assyrian (NLT). "Assyrian" is not a person but all those who invade the land of Israel.

The "he" in the first part and second part of Dan. 9.27 are clearly the same person, but Jesus is not Assyrian so to insert Assyrian makes not sense. The only two possibilities are Jesus or the Antichrist Nero who is to come causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease. But it can't be Jesus because Dan. 9.27 says "A covenant" not "The Covenant," and it doesn't say NEW Covenant. Jesus already confirmed the covenant in verse 26. Verse 27 follows after the latter part of verse 26 when the Temple is destroyed 70 AD. Jesus does not ride "upon the wing of abomination." Those are words to depict Satan's Antichrist.

The one who confirms a covenant can't be Jesus who was cut off after the 69th seven was completed Monday, Nisan 10, March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian). This is the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb before Passover. It wouldn't make much sense to say "in the midst of the week" for that would be only 4 days later when Jesus died on the cross Friday, Nisan 14, April 1, 33 AD. This day had a lunar eclipse, and Satan calls it April Fool's Day to mock my Lord. To "confirm a covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause sacrifice and oblation to cease" wouldn't make much sense with Jesus cut off on the 6th day of the week (Friday) or on the 4th of 2,520 days of Daniel's final seven. That can hardly be construed as in the midst or middle (NKJV, NIV, NASB) of the week.

In conclusion you had to alter the meaning of these verses to make them agree with you, but I trust I have shown in doing so there are too many holes in your theory. However, it all makes perfect sense if the Antichrist is the "he" in both parts of Dan. 9.27.

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Originally Posted by Linker

Micah
5:5 And this man [Jesus Christ] shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men.

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Look how Satan recalls this verse to manipulate it in his grand scheme to replicate it.

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains [7 hilled city of Rome], on which the woman sitteth [great harlot of religious Rome]. And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition" (Rev. 17.9-11).

5 + 1 (6th) + 1 (7th) + 1 (8th). While God's "seven shepherds, and eight principle men" are good, Satan tries to replicate it. How?

The 5 fallen are the 5 fallen Caesars who died horrible deaths. At the time of John's writing Domitian reigned ("one is"). He was the 6th. The other yet to come is the forerunner to the Antichrist. This forerunner continues only for short time because he is murdered.

The beast that "was" is Nero. Nero "is not" alive at the time of John's writing of Revelation. "He is the eighth" who "was" one of the five which is Nero. Only Nero's name comes to 666. The Antichrist is "of the seven" because he is the worst of all of them. The Antichrist is a person who is the first person who will go to Hell when Jesus returns.