Coming Out of Tribulation the Great

Re: RepentAndBeRaptured
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Originally Posted by RentAndBeRaptured

hello Troy, FYI were in the tribulation now the worid tribulation applies to revelation 7:14. Daniel 9:27 defines the seven year period which I think your refering to. It is part of the tribulation period. A thousand years is like a day to the Lord it makes sense that events that occur in heaven in a few minutes take years on earth. So the opening of the seals began before 9/11/afghanistand seal 1, Seal 2 Iraq, Seal 3 financial meltdown, Seal 4 1/4th earth Seal 5 saints

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We have bee in tribulation the great (Rev. 7.14) for the past 20 centuries. Dan. 9.27 does not refer to the past 20 centuries, so the Tribulation of Dan. 9.27 is not the same as the tribulation of 7.14. The first seal occurred when Jesus died on the cross. Jesus is the rider on the white horse with a bow and arrow that looks like a cross giving Satan a deadly wound. The plagues having been going on these past 20 centuries not just as of late. Would Jesus who handles the little book in Rev. 5 who died for our sins wait nearly 2000 years to open the first half of the book and its seals?
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Revelation_7.htm

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Seal 6 is the rapture. We come out of the tribulation because we are in it we arein it now! But before Gods wrath can be poured out we who are holding it back now must be removed via the rapture, this event coincides with Ezekiel 38 earthquake and Jesus saves Isreal in ww3. Daniel 11 makes it clear that the ww3 which begins at the before the final seven years the results are not repeated in ww4 3 and 1/2 years into the final seven.

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There is no mention of a rapture in the 6th seal. There are people hiding in caves though. Satan is holding himself back as the Restrainer waiting for that opportune time to unleash the Antichrist.
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Parti...ure#restrainer

There is a pre-war with Muslims, and American and the EU entering Iran possibly. WW III takes place in the 2nd woe of 13 months and 24 months of the 3rd woe. In the 2nd woe, 1/3 of the people of the earth die (Rev. 9.18), and the 200 million combined armies fight the ground war in 3rd woe (v.16).

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Revelation_11.htm

First rapture takes place at the 7th seal in Rev. 7.9 "before the throne" just before the first trumpet is blown (8.7ff) that commences the 7 year Tribulation. The condition for first rapture is according to readiness for keeping the word of His patience to escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world (3.10). About 1/7th of those alive at the first rapture will taken up.

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As far as a partial rapture goes you are either righteous or not reighteous in Gods eyes. The partial seems to me to be semantics. Either your right with God or not. Genesis 18:25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?”

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All believers are right with God in the sense they have eternal life, but not all believers overcometh as some of those do in Rev. 2 & 3.
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/7churches.htm

There really is going to be just a fraction of the Church alive at the first rapture who shall be raptured alive, not the whole Church. It's better to accept this now and be realistic about it.

Just as all believers have endured the wrath of Satan throughout the centuries, so shall believers who were unwilling to be taken up like an Enoch or Elijah. So we have a first rapture before the Tribulation of overcomers then at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) the general rapture and resurrection takes place before the last 24 months of the Tribulation. Carnal Christians will not be taken out of the world during the time when the Vatican is nuked in the first half of the Tribulation (Rev. 8) nor during the nuclear holocaust of the 2nd woe, but those who in Christ who were not "taken" (Matt. 24.40-41), but "alive" and "left" (4.15-17) at the start of the 3rd woe will be raptured with those who are asleep. Amen. Though God's wrath comes upon the earth as well, His wrath is not directed at believers. The only reason the bulk of the Church is not raptured alive at the first rapture is because they were not willing and ready to be received. Most of them will end up losing the reward as well of returning with Christ to reign during the 1000 years.

When you enter the Tribulation you will be deceived, because you won't recognize it or acknowledge it. Just like in that movie Skyline that just came out, the rapture at the start was considered evil, so too will you accuse the 3 million or so brethren raptured alive at the first rapture who were watchful and prayerful (Luke 21.36). Your jealousy accuses, accusing the brethren day and night (Rev. 12.10). I hope at that point in the Tribulation you turn your life to Christ and stop accusing. Many are now looking for what they call a "fake rapture" at the start to accuse the overcome believers.

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The bible does not indicate that believers will be raptured before the tribulation Rev 7:14 is the only reference to word tribulation in the bible. Rev 7:14 These are they who have come out of the great tribulation. We will be raptured. Then many will repent and be marytered.

Rev 6:12, matt 24:29, ezekiel 38:19 Ezekiel 39:9, Daniel 9:27, Rev 13:5, Rev 11:2, Daniel 11:31

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There are many references to the word tribulation in the Bible in different senses,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Revel...lationthegreat

Revelation 7.14 refers to the past 20 centuries, not those who are saved after the first rapture as the numbers would not add up,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Partial_rapture#7.14

Just know that when you see several million have vanished you not accuse them but realize I told you the truth that first rapture was according to readiness and you were just not ready to be received. Accept the fact that you were tied down to the world like a balloon unwilling to be released, so repent and give your life to Christ instead of accusing the brethren. Amen.

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Partial_rapture#balloon

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Originally Posted by RepentAndBeRaptured

With all due respect concerning Daniel 9:24-27 25 "Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[f] the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two 'sevens,' the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[g] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.'[h] In the middle of the 'seven'[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[k]"[l]

While Daniel 9:24-27 may have been fullfilled in Jesus life on earth. Jesus reference to the abomination that causes desolation in the days before his return means that they are to be fullfilled in the period before his return. Which is now. Israel is a nation 1948, Jerusalem is restored to Israel June 1967, April 1969 Corporation for rebuilding the jewish quarter of Jerusalem is established, 2003 West Bank Barrier encompases Jerusalem with wall/trench/barrier, 2009 Mitzpe Yerhico building a Temple to practice offerings and sacrifics.

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Just like all the "sevens" were 7 years so is the last seven. The last seven hasn't happened yet because the first rapture according to readiness hasn't taken place yet. Before that can occur the 3rd Temple needs to be almost completed. Where we are at in Revelation is near the end of the 6 seals, these past 20 centuries. The Tribulation is Sept. 14, 2015 to Aug. 7, 2022.

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Daniel 8 is being fullfilled in our time. Daniel 8:5 As I was thinking about this, suddenly a goat with a prominent horn between its eyes came from the west, crossing the whole earth without touching the ground. 6 It came toward the two-horned ram I had seen standing beside the canal and charged at it in great rage. 7 I saw it attack the ram furiously, striking the ram and shattering its two horns. The ram was powerless to stand against it; the goat knocked it to the ground and trampled on it, and none could rescue the ram from its power.

This is the US verses Iraq/saddam US airforce attacks from US all the way around the world to Iraq and returns back to US to rinse repeat at opening of hostilities 2003. 2003 two horns that were shattered are uday and kusay Saddams sons. In Dec 2003 during operation red dawn US soldiers trampled ontop of Saddam while he hid underground.

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As it pertains to end times Daniel 8 hasn't happened yet since we don't know for sure who the Antichrist is. I think it is Prince William and the False Prophet Barack Hussein Obama, I don't think it is absolute yet. Technically, Barack would be the False Prophet, but Prince William will be killed and the Antichrist Nero will just use his body. Daniel 8 is talking about Alexander the Great's conquest and Antiochus' persecution but we can apply it to the Antichrist in part.

You can draw parallels if you like but stick to the fact who these prophesies were originally for. The parts we can apply to the Antichrist, for example, are the 2300 days. The 3rd Temple will be completed with 2300 days left into the 2,520 days of the Tribulation,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/total...etrad#2300days

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Also Rev seventh seal while we will very likely be raptured by the seventh seal. It is the Sixth seal that clearly indicates Jesus return to save Israel and rapture/ressurect the bride of Christ. Which will be fullfillment of Daniel 9:25 the annointed one cut off.

Rev 6:12, matt 24:29, ezekiel 38:19 Clearly these three are all tied together

Rev 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

matt 24:29 "Immediately after the distress of those days

"'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[b]

30 "Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

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Matthew 24.29 coincides with Rev. 11.19 and 16.17-21 at the end of the Tribulation, whereas Joel's prophecy is concerned with the events before the great and terrible day of the Lord. Before then is the 6th seal before the Tribulation and first four trumpets before the Great Tribulation.

The elect here pertains to the Jews, not the Church. For many reasons for this read notes on Matthew 24,
http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/Matthew_24.htm

Israel as a nation 75 days after Jesus steps down on the mount of olives. The first rapture is "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) before the trumpets of the Tribulation commence (8.7ff). And it is only for overcomers alive at the first rapture, not the whole Church. Just those who keep the word of His patience, are prayerful, watchful and keep the conduct of Matt. 5-7. Rev. 12 to 19 give the details of the major points of Tribulation in chapters 7 to 11. Rev. 12.5 coincides with 7.9 of those who "overcometh".

The return of Jesus commence first with Him meeting the overcomer believers at the throne in Heaven, then He comes down on the cloud then through the cloud to meet the saints at the last trumpet in the air. This takes 60 months (84 - 24). Then after 24 months, He steps down on the mount of olives with about 24 million overcomers who reign over the nations. The rest of the saved spend 1000 years in outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ during that time. At least six times 24 million will be in outer darkness wailing (sorrowful) and gnashing teeth (regret).

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ezekiel 38:19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground.

So that you dont think ezekiel 38:19 is a reference to Jesus return to reign at the end of the seven years on the earth
Ezekiel 39:9 "'Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel.

Clearly these events proceed Jesus return to reign over the earth by at least 7 years. Therefor Daniel 9:24-27 makes it clear enlight of these passages that after 62wks the church will be raptured/resurrected and Israel saved from by Jesus himself from those who will be attacking her.

So once we see Israel surrounded by enemy army's will know that its time for the Rapture.

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Ezekiel 38 & 39 is referring to the Great Tribulation. Certainly. But Jesus doesn't step down on the mount of olives until after the battle takes place. Remember, the battle is the 6th to the 7th trumpets which lasts a total of 37 months (13 + 24). When Jesus steps down on the mount of olives Aug. 7, 2022 on Tisha B'Av, He will then judge the nations for 30 days. 45 more days to the 1335th day He sets up Israel as the center of all nations from where He will reign on earth for 1000 years.

Technically the battle of Gog and Magog is at the end of the millennial reign spoken of Rev. 20.7-10, but again, like before, we can glean some facts from Ez. 38 & 39 for both the period before the Great Tribulation leading up to it an for the Great Tribulation itself. For example, the burning of weapons you spoke of are the results of a battle that takes place before the Tribulation. The 7 years are from 3.5 years before the Tribulation to the midpoint of the Tribulation. From the midpoint on is the Great Tribulation.

There is a remnant of Jews, 144,000 that are protected while Israel is overrun over those 42 months.