The argument goes as follows. Just as the wise men received two confirming signs of the star in the heavens for the baby Jesus, we have two confirming signs of when Jesus returns by the lunar tetrads 1949/50 when Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 and 1967/68 when Israel entered Jerusalem June 7, 1967. The Armistice treaty was signed 1949. These were not any normal Tetrads but they occurred on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles. The 8th one since Christ will be 2014/15 and won't happen again till literally the year 2582/83. The probability calculation is as follows. Because there was only one century prior to the 20th century that had 2 feast Tetrads, the probability the Tetrad occurring twice in the 20th century was 1 in 19 centuries. And the probability one of the Tetrads would fall on one of those two key dates was 2/100 and the other landing on the other date was 1/99. This brings the total probability to ~ 1 in 100,00.

The last seven of Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 9.24-27) has yet to be fulfilled which is 2,520 days (7 x 360) like the other 69 sevens were. From the declaration to rebuild the Temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2), the 2nd Temple would be built in troublous times over seven sets of seven (7 x 7 x 360 = 17,640 days) then after another 62 sevens the Messiah would be cut off. 7 x (7+62) x 360 = 173,880 days. There are exactly 173,880 days from March 3, Nisan 1, 444 BC to March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian). March 28 was Nisan 10, Monday, the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. The 4 day inspection was March 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus died on a lunar eclipse April 1, 33 AD, Friday, Passover, Nisan 14, April Fool's Day as Satan mocks Jesus. Hundreds of years prior we could predict the exact day Jesus would die on the cross. Amazing! Should we not be able to predict when Jesus steps down on the mount of olives to reign on earth for 1000 years with His overcomers over the nations? Certainly. We knew the day the baby Jesus would be born and when He would die on the cross. Likewise, for those who are discerning, they will know when He returns. Praise the Lord!

Let us be careful though, because all those verses that talk about you can't know the day or the hour should be read in context. Sometimes they deal with the end of the world (not when Jesus returns), speaking to carnal Christians who can't discern, or prior to when Israel would be a nation again since Matt. 24.33 days we can "know" when Jesus returns even the very day "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) only once Israel is a nation again (v.32). It was around this time we knew when the Tetrads would take place as well.

So before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20, Rev. 6.12) would occur three events in specific order: great earthquake, unique solar eclipse and unique lunar eclipse. In 2010, there were 320,000 people who died in Haiti due to an earthquake. It was the second most deaths of any earthquake in history and the most per capita of 1 in 27 souls. In 2011 was the greatest financial loss of any earthquake in history in Japan, 4th greatest in magnitude and all 50+ nuclear power plants were shut down. Never in history have two earthquakes of such massive proportions ever occurred back to back, year over year like that. Profound! We can calculate this to be a probability of ~ 1 in 2010. "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6.17) does follow verse 12.

What follows next is the required rare lunar eclipse. There are 4 kinds of lunar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. And there are 3 kinds of Hybrids--the rarest which is the H3 occurring 5% of the time. And they are even more rare according to NASA when they are the long version lasting more than 1 minute 30 seconds. It just so happens the 4th long H3 since Christ will be Nov. 3, 2013. Wowsy wowsers! It won't happen again till 2172. I am now getting interested. My interest is peaked!

Since this long H3 has occurred 3 times since Christ over 2012 years, the chance of it occurring in 2013 just before the Tetrads 2014/15 to maintain the proper sequence in Revelation 6.12, gives us a probability of ~ 1 in 700. Amazingly rare stuff! And the probability of this correct order of these three events is 1 in 6.

Thirdly, is the required rare lunar eclipse 2014/15. Since Rev. 6.12 occurs before the Tribulation starts with the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation, and these three events are most certainly these three of events of 2010-15, we can be confident the 7 year Tribulation can't start before 2015.

However, the Tribulation can't end any later than 2023, the latest possible date for Jesus' return, because "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) after Israel is a nation again (v.32) in 1948 by all accounts should not be more than a lifetime, and a lifetime is no more than 75 years (Ps. 90.10). 75 years divided by 2000 years ~ 4%. 20% nor even 10% should be considered right at the door, but 4% seems quite reasonable as being right at the door and certainly within a lifetime at most. So we have two possible choices for the Tribulation. Either 2015-22 or 2016-23. Which is the correct one?

Incidentally, 2520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10 so we see this as significant and not just some coincidence as a basic prophetic working unit Daniel discovered. There needs to be 2,520 days from the beginning feast to an ending holiday. The last 3 feasts of Israel pertain to His second coming, while the first 4 feasts already dealt with His first coming. Feast of Trumpets, the first of the last 3 feasts, deals with rapture. Since the first rapture "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) occurs first before the Tribulation starts with its first trumpet (8.7), the 2,520 days should begin on Feast of Trumpets.

What is the 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets 2015 to the year 2022? it is a Sunday Aug. 7. But there is no holiday on that Sunday. With a little more investigation one finds out that Aug. 6 is Tisha B'Av, but it says right there in Wiki that whenever it falls on Saturday (Sabbath) it is held the day after instead. Praise the Lord! What a stroke of luck that was! Tisha B'Av is the date the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple. The odds of Tisha B'Av held over from Saturday to Sunday is 1 in 7. What about from 2016 to 2023? There is no holiday in the vicinity for the 2,520th day from 2016 to 2023. There you have it. Case solved! As it turns out 7 out of every 19 years the 2,520th day lands on Tisha B'Av. Go figure! The odds of Jesus returning on the day He was resurrected is 1 in 7.

The final clue is that as a reenactment of the declaration to rebuild the Temple, we find that there are exactly 7 sets of 7 from June 7, 1967 when Israel reclaimed Jerusalem to the Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015. Wow! That's 17,640 days (7 x 7 x 360). A deeper study (pleases request this from me) will reveal going back adding up the ages in Israel that 2015 is a Jubilee year as well, once every 50 years. What is also interesting is that there are 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) from the 4th day inspection of the lamb, the day before Passover, to Tisha B'Av when the Temple is cleansed for Jesus steps down on the mount of olives on that day of Aug. 7, 2022 (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7).

Let us resist all of Satan's attempts to try to convince us through his wiles that we can't now when the Lord returns.

Jesus then judges the nations for 30 days from the 1260th day of the Great Tribulation to the 1290th day. 45 days more are needed to set up Israel as the center of all nations. Amazingly, yet again, we find that the 1335th day, also another key number in the Bible, lands on the 4th day from Simchat Torah, the last of the Jewish holiday, 2 days after Tabernacles ends--the last of the 7 feasts of Israel.

I am in awe! How about you? Let's run that calculation now.

(1 in 100,000) x (1 in 2010) x (1 in 700) x (1 in 6) x (7 out of 19) x (1 in 7) x (1 in 7) = 1 in 112 trillion.

That is,

1 in 112,000,000,000,000.

Coincidence? I think not.

What I am particularly fond of about all this is that the final seven begins on the 120th Jubilee of 6000 years. Some may think isn't that Calvinistic? Not at all. God is placing His divine plan within the span of those 6000 years before His second coming whether people like it or not! We aren't robots.

Do you think it is reasonable for Jesus to return within a lifetime when Israel becomes a nation again?

"Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh" (Matt. 24.32).

I think we can all agree the fig tree represents Israel and the summer is the millennial kingdom. The branch was tender no later than May 14, 1948 when Israel became a nation again.

"Summer is nigh" would be no longer than within a lifetime. "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away" (Ps. 90.10).

Abraham entered the promise land at the age of 75. "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran" (Gen. 12.4).

1948 + 75 = 2023. Therefore, Jesus steps down on the mount of olives no later than 2023 so the very latest the Tribulation would be is from 2016-23.

Before the Tribulation starts certain events must take place.

"The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12).

Haiti 2010 was the second greatest number of deaths of any earthquake in history. Japan 2011 caused Japan to shut down all 50+ of is nuclear power plants and it was the 4th greatest earthquake in history in terms of magnitude. Back to back, year over year, the world has never seen two earthquakes together this devastating. Never! Wake up people!

There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. And there are 3 kinds of hybrids. The H3 the rarest occurring about 5% of the time. And a solar eclipse is even more rare when it is a long version, that is, lasting longer than 1 minute and 30 seconds according to NASA. Amazingly, on Nov. 3, 2013 is the rarest of all solar eclipses--the long H3 Hybrid. The H3 Hybrid starts as a partial eclipse and finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. This is the 4th one since Christ and won't happen again till the year 2172.

What follows next is the 2014/15 Total Lunar Tetrad that lands on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles. The 6th one since Christ was 1949/50 when Israel became a nation May 14, 1948. The Armistice treaty was signed 1949. The 7th Tetrad was 1967/68 when Israel entered Jerusalem June 7, 1967. It won't happen again till 2582/83, and there is no unique solar eclipse preceding it.

"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors" (Matt. 24.33). Within a lifetime!

When does the 7 year Tribulation take place? It is not going to start in 2012 or 2013 or 2014 because the Temple construction must begin by the start of the Tribulation so the Antichrist can reign in it by the middle of the Tribulation.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (Dan. 9.27, Matt. 24.15, 2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2).

The 7 year Tribulation is 2,520 days (7 x 360) like all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens were. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers from 2 to 10. The 69th seven is concluded 4 days before Jesus died on the cross based on the sevens being 2,520 days each. The feasts of Israel are a rehearsal. The last 3 feasts deal with Jesus' second coming. Feast of Trumpets is the first of the last 3 feasts and pertains to rapture. Therefore, we should expect the Tribulation to start on Feast of Trumpets. This can be confirmed.

In 2015 Feast of Trumpets is Sept. 14, 2015 and the 2,520th day is Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 (1260th day), the day the first and second Temples were destroyed. Jesus returns to reign in the third Temple. The 2,550th day (1290th) from Feast of Trumpets in 2016 is the Day of Atonement in 2023. So which of these two 7 year periods will be the Tribulation?

It takes 2300 days before the Temple is cleansed. "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (Dan. 8.14).

There are 2300 days from April 21, 2016 the 4th day inspection of the lamb, the day before Passover, to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. The same is true for 2017 to 2023. So we need another clue. There are seven sets of seven (7 x 7 x 360) from June 7, 1967 when Israel took over Jerusalem to Sept. 23, 2015 Day of Atonement (total of 17,640 days). This suggests that 2015 is the starting year of the Tribulation so the Tribulation would be Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

At any rate the first rapture according to readiness is on Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 or Feast of Trumpets Oct. 3, 2016. I favor 2015 for several other reasons, because it is a Jubilee year, once every 50 years and it is a Sabbath year once every seven years. And Tisha B'Av in 2022 lands on a Sunday.

When you read, or hear someone tell you, you can't know the day or the hour, keep in mind they could not know then, obviously, since they could not calculate according to the Tetrads (signs in the sun and the moon), but once Israel is a nation again you can know. Moreover, you can't know when the end of the world is (Matt. 24.35-36), but you can know when Jesus returns which is 1000 years before the end of the world. Jesus did not say He would forever not know. Likewise, as we approach the season or find ourselves in the season as we are now, we can know. And lastly, you can't know the day or hour if you are a carnal Christian; only a spiritual Christian can discern the signs of the times because he is watchful and overcoming. Make sure when you read these passages about the day and the hour you read them in context.

We are coming to a turning point in history, because never has prophecy and the cosmos ever been this aligned before as it is now, and it all begins with the phrase when the "branch is tender" (Matt. 24.32) then you can "know" when Jesus returns "right at the door" (v.33). Israel represents the fig tree in the OT and Jesus even cursed the fig tree representing Israel because it had leaves, but no fruit showing its outward display was not right while inwardly it was corrupt having no fruit. One would think within a lifetime constitutes easily "right at the door". 70 to 80 years is a lifetime (Ps. 90.10), and Abraham entered the promise land at 75. 75 years added to 1948 when Israel became a nation brings us to 2023 so the Tribulation can occur no later than the 7 year period from 2016 to 2023.

Just as all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens (Dan. 9.25,26) were 2,520 days each (7 x 360) so too will be the 70th seven-the final seven (v.27; see Matt. 24.15). From the declaration to rebuild the Temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1) there would be 7 sets of 7 (49 years) then another sixty-two sets of seven, for a total of 69 sevens after which the Messiah would be cut off. 69 x 7 x 360 = 173,880 days. There are exactly 173,880 days from Nisan 1, 444 BC to March 28, 33 AD (Gregorian) which is the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb March 28, 29, 30, 31. Then Jesus was cut off April 1, April Fool's Day, 33 AD, Nisan 14, Passover.

And Ezekiel's prophecy on his side for 390 days also brings us to precisely as prophesied when Israel would become a nation again to the month of May. Israel became a nation again in a day on May 14, 1948. Wow!

So we are looking for a 7 year period that lasts 2,520 days. Incidentally, 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers for 2 to 10 as a basic working prophetic unit. Just as there were two signs in the heavens for the wise men to find the child of Bethlehem, we should expect two more signs-the second being the confirmation-in the heavens to know when Jesus returns. A feast Total Lunar Tetrad is when there is a red blood moon on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles over a 2 year period. They are very rare. The 6th one since Christ was 1949/50. Israel signed the Armistice treaty in 1949. The 7th was 1967/68 when Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. Never before in history were two Tetrads closer than 18 years apart. The 8th will be 2014/15. From the nation of Israel to its capital Jerusalem next will follow the building of the 3rd Temple. The Total Lunar Tetrad won't happen again till 2582/83. Wow! So this is it!

The 7 feasts of Israel are a rehearsal of things to come related to the Messiah. The first four feasts pertain to Jesus' first coming. The last 3 feasts to his second coming. Passover represents His atoning sacrifice. Feast of Unleavened Bread represents Jesus being in the grave for 3 days. Firstfruits typifies His resurrection. And Pentecost depicts the giving of the Holy Spirit to indwell believers now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. The last 3 feasts are about His second coming. Feast of Trumpets deals with the rapture according to readiness before the Tribulation starts since Matt. 24.40-42, Luke 21.36 and Rev. 3.10 are conditional if/then statements for Christians to be received up "before the throne" (7.9) at the first rapture before the first trumpet (8.7) of the Tribulation commences, if they keep the word of His patience, are prayerful and watchful. Most Christians alive at the time will lose this reward because they preferred to be carnal Christians. Though they can't lose eternal life, they can lose the reward of being received up before the throne ahead of time and escape the hour of trial that is to come upon the whole world. They will have to wait to meet the Lord in the air at the last trumpet instead. Next is the Day of Atonement which depicts all those who are saved when Jesus returns. And finally Tabernacles would be Jesus tabernacling among men for 1000 years, reigning with a "rod of iron" over the nations with His overcomers (Rev. 2.26, 12.5).

Hence, the Tribulation must start on Feast of Trumpets. Every two years or so the 2,520th day (7 x 360) of the Tribulation-the 1260th day of the Great Tribulation-lands on Tisha B'Av when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed, for Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple. In alternating years, amazingly enough, the 2,550th day-the 1290th day-lands on the Day of Atonement. Is this a coincidence? I think not. The Bible references the 1260th and 1290th day several times.

The problem before us is how do we determine which 7 year period is the Tribulation? Is it in the years the 2,550th day lands on Day of Atonement or when the 2,520th day lands on Tisha B'Av? There are a few clues that help us. There are seven sets of seven ( 7 x 7 x 360) from June 7, 1967 when Israel took over Jerusalem to the Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015 for a total of 17,640 days. Could this be a double fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy towards the rebuilding of the Temple? This suggests the Tribulation begins in the year 2015, not 2014 or 2016. Moreover, there's no 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets and Tisha B'Av for 2014-21 or 2016-23. Recall Jesus steps down on the mount of olives no later than 2023 for us to enter the promise land. "So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran" (Gen. 12.4). Another major clue is that the Temple is cleansed after 2300 days (Dan. 8.14) so there should be 2300 days from around passover to the 1260th or 1290th day. What we find is in years that the 2,520th day lands on Tisha B'Av there are 2300 days from the 4th day inspection of the lamb to Tisha B'Av; that is, there are 2300 days from April 21, 2016 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. This is not the case for years when the 2,550th day lands on Day of Atonement. Therefore, we can be quite confident the Tribulation is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. There is also 1260 days from the 1st day inspection of the lamb April 18, 2016 to Feast of Trumpets Sept. 30, 2019. This could be the time of the Two Witnesses Enoch and Elijah, the only two persons in the Bible who did not die, who will die in the Great Tribulation then be raised up after 3 and 1/2 days. The 1335th day after the middle of the Tribulation (another key number in the Bible), or 2595th day of the Tribulation, in years the 2,520th day lands on Tisha B'Av ends up being the 4th day from Simchat Torah after Tabernacles ends. For Simchat Torah the Jews use to take out the Torah Scroll from the Holy of Holies and read it once a year so seems quite important. Whereas the 1335th day when the 2,550th day lands on Day of Atonement ends up in November with no significant feast or holiday attached to it.

Is there anything else to support the 2015-22 period? Indeed. Rev. 6.12 and Joel 2.31 tell us three events must take place in exact order shortly before the Tribulation begins. First is the great earthquake. Haiti 2010 had the 2nd greatest number of deaths of any earthquake in history and most deaths per capita (1 in 27 people). Japan 2011 had the greatest financial loss (all 50+ of their nuclear power plants were shut down and it was the 4th greatest in magnitude in human history). Year over year, no two earthquakes were this devastating. It was a new record broken in the Guinness Book of Records. Next is the black sackcloth sun. There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses, the rarest which is he Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. The rarest kind of Hybrid is the H3 occurring again another 5% of the time (5% x 5% = .03%). The H3 starts off as partial eclipse then finishes as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. A solar eclipse is even more rare when it is a long one and not a short one. A long solar eclipse is when it lasts longer than 1 minute and 30 seconds according to NASA. The 4th long H3 since Christ will be Nov. 3, 2013 and it won't happen again till 2172. Wow! Last but not least is the 8th Total Lunar Tetrad since Christ on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles in 2014/15 and won't happen again till 2582/83. Interestingly, there are no rare solar eclipses and red blood moons associated to that date so the time is now!

Conclusively, the Tribulation can't start before 2015 because the Temple must be well under construction before then to be completed on time (before the 2300 days start), but nor can it start after 2016 because that is not deemed "right at the door," and the political/economic/global confrontation doesn't allow for a later date (see below). The Antichrist will inhabit the Temple (2 Thess. 2.4) so there must be a Temple to inhabit (constructed and completed). Since 2016 doesn't fit the profile to end on Tisha B'Av we are stuck with 2015 as the starting year of the Tribulation. What else? The sign of the Son of man (Matt. 24.30) must occur in the year 2022 and not 2023 if the 2015-22 timeline is the correct one. Amazingly, in the year 2022 Jupiter will the be closest to earth it has been in several centuries visible to the naked eye and expected to be hit with many comets showing a flashing or sparkling show. A sight to behold!

Isn't this amazing? I needed a sign in 2022 and I got it! I needed the 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to land on a feast day or significant holiday. When I found the 2,520th day Sunday, Aug. 7, 2022 did not directly state there was a Jewish holiday on it I was concerned, but amazingly as I was reading on wiki, I discovered when Tisha B'Av is on a Saturday, it is commemorated the day after instead. In 2022, Tisha B'Av is on Saturday Aug. 6, so it is held on the 7th instead. Praise the Lord!

Is there any other data we can access? A very strong factor are the oil industry reports which say there is only 900 billion barrels of oil left in the world so at an average of 100 million barrels a day used up, there will be no conventional oil left by 2035. Any war that occurs will occur a good 15 years before that to control the flow of oil in the middle east. By 2020 the Great Tribulation will be well underway. Since in Rev. 9 the 1st woe is 5 months, the 2nd woe is 13 months, we easily can conclude the 3rd woe is 24 months for a total of 42 months of the Great Trib. Simply by using a calendar we can count down the days from the start of the Tribulation to know that the Great Tribulation starts Feb. 25, 2019, the 2nd woe begins July 25, 2019 and the 3rd woe begins Aug. 20, 2020. Rev. 9.16 says 200 million military units will congregate in the middle east in the 2nd woe. This was not possible before. And 1/3 of people of the earth will die in fire and brimstone, a nuclear exchange, also not possible before (v.18).

Rev. 8 contains the 4 trumpets that make up the first half of the Tribulation, that is, the first 42 months. Rev. 17.16 gives further details, and all that I would ask is that you read both chapter 8 and Rev. 17.16 together and imagine from that language if you can see a nuclear bomb blowing up the Vatican, the great harlot of religious Rome (ch. 17), that makes drunk the nations with the wine of the wrath of her fornications (14.8). I am convinced it will happen into the first half of the Trib so likely somewhere between 2016 and 2019.

We can now render a conclusion with 100% certainty for the Bible to remain consistent in its prophecies. We know the first rapture according to readiness is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 and Jesus steps down on the mount of olives Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7, 19.11-16). The last trumpet rapture and resurrection of all those saints who are alive and left, together with those who are asleep, will be taken up just before the 7th Trumpet bowls of wrath (Rev. 11.15, 1 Cor. 15.50-52, 1 Thess. 4.14-18) because were are not appointed unto wrath. Obviously, those who are alive are left. Why this apparent unnecessary redundancy? Fortunately it is only apparent. What is meant is that if you are a saint who is alive it is because you were left and not taken at the first rapture.

You can't convince a Calvinist to realize Calvinism is wrong by telling him it is wrong to send people to Hell by giving them no opportunity for salvation. The conscience of a Calvinist is willing to believe that God created a soul, allows that soul to be born into the world and not given prevenient grace to have any opportunity to be saved but passed over for Hell even though it was not their fault they were born into sin.

Even though it is evil for us to treat each other this way the Calvinist has no problem believing his god operates differently where it is ok to preterition people to Hell when he could have done more as we human beings would have done more for fellow man. To the Calvinist, his conscience does not register with the fact God can't have a conscience below our own standards.

How then do you reason with a Calvinist and reach out to him? You could show all those verses that speak about Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of the whole world. But every time you do that the Calvinist changes those verses to sins of all those who would be saved in the world or all those in different places. Silly nonsense.

So I believe the best argument to show Calvinism is wrong is by simply quoting verses where God implores you and pleads with you believe in Him, thus giving you the free choice. For example, "I have set before you life and death.... Choose life.... Love the LORD thy God" (Deut. 30.19-20). Would a loving and righteous and holy God plead with you and implore you to believe in Him if you were not given sufficient grace to have the free choice? Of course not.

Therefore, God does not irresistibly impose repentance, faith and regeneration, but you can freely obtain these gifts if you were genuinely and sincerely searching God out with all your heart and soul then you shall surely find Him.

In conclusion, we observe that Calvinists have not sincerely and genuinely searched God out with all their hearts and souls, and that's why they haven't found Him yet.

I just wanted you to understand how a logical person understands the big picture. Does God exist or not?

I know God exists because the universe can't come from nothing since that which does not exist can't cause anything, so nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated whom we call God. Later we can figure out who or what God is, but for now we know the uncreated Creator does indeed exist.

Nor can there exist an eternity of the past of cause and effects because you would have come into existence before now having had an eternity to do so. What's even more contradictory with the assumption of a past eternity is that if there was an eternity of the past of cause and effects, you would have never come into existence because a past eternity would still be going on for eternity so as to never reach this point. The concept of a past eternity is not only self-contradictory but just plain wrong.

Who is God? I believe God would be accessible. To be accessible would only include the major religions that spread throughout the globe: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism. Just three choices. I deem Hinduism to be false because you aren't coming back as a frog if you are not a good prince. That's just silly. And Brahma is said to be amoral. How can God have standards below our own by being amoral? Islam is proven false in one fell swoop because it has no evidence six centuries later from a guy in a cave who self-declared Jesus never died on the cross. The burden is on him to try to overturn the historical record. So without knowing anything else we know Jesus is God.

For those who want to even deny He exists, we can say Jesus is the most documented person in antiquity. He has more sources written about him within 150 years of his death than any ten figures combined from antiquity. To know that He did indeed resurrect Himself we simply observe that there has never been and never will be a naturalistic explanation to account for the origin of the disciples' eyewitness testimony.

We are personal and God, of course, can't have standards below our own so God must be personal. What is the most personal thing God can do for us? To literally enter His creation and pay for the sins that belong to us for forgiveness of sins, regeneration of the spirit and to give eternal life. Accessible and personal are virtues characteristic of a God who has a mind, and a mind is needed to create a mind. A mind can not come from dust alone, but must also have a soul to produce self-consciousness.

Christ Jesus, the 2nd Person of the Trinity, will also return during Daniel's final seven, based on the Total Lunar Tetrads, that is, the signs in the heavens according to Joel 2.31 and Rev. 6.12 before the Tribulation starts. The 2,520 days (7x360) would be from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. First rapture is according to readiness (Luke 21.36, Rev. 3.10) on the first date. The latter date Jesus steps down on the mount of olives.

It really is that simple so we are all without excuse.

My favorite reasoning is all those verses that speak of Jesus returning with saints (e.g. Jude 14,15) to reign, it wouldn't make much sense for overcomers to return with Christ to earth only to plop back up to heaven. They are going to stay around for 1000 years to reign with a rod of iron (Rev. 12.5) over the nations (2.26), not in some fantasy amillennial way, before the New City and New Earth commence.

"In the regeneration" (Matt. 19.28)—This word "regeneration" is used twice in the Bible: once in Titus 3.5 where it points to personal recovery—which is a being born again, and here in this verse 28 where it refers to the recovery of the world—the consequence of which is the millennium (see also Rom. 8.19-23 and Is. 11. 6-9). From Adam until Moses sin was in the world (Rom. 12.14), and from Moses until the Lord Jesus sin reigned (see Rom. 5.12-14, 21). All who are born again in this age are delivered from the power of sin, but not delivered from the presence of sin. Likewise in the regeneration of the world, first comes the deliverance from the power of sin (for Satan is bound for a thousand years—the period of the millennial kingdom—which is done by the Lord and not through any social reform done by men), and then shall come the new heaven and the new earth with deliverance from the presence of sin.

Revelation 20.3 says the nations won't be deceived in the 1000 years, so obviously it is not happening now. Rev. 2.26, 12.5, 20.4-6 say.

Zech. 8.2 "'I am zealous for Zion with great zeal; With great fervor I am zealous for her.' 3 "Thus says the Lord: 'I will return to Zion, And dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, The Mountain of the Lord of hosts, The Holy Mountain.' 4 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'Old men and old women shall again sit In the streets of Jerusalem, Each one with his staff in his hand Because of great age. 5 The streets of the city Shall be full of boys and girls. 8. Playing in its streets.' 6 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'If it is marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, Will it also be marvelous in My eyes?' Says the Lord of hosts. 7 "Thus says the Lord of hosts: 'Behold, I will save My people from the land of the east And from the land of the west; 8 I will bring them back, And they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem (Matt. 24.31 "elect"). They shall be My people And I will be their God, In truth and righteousness.'