• Revelation 6.12 and Joel 2.31 are Before the First Rapture and Tribulation Start

    Revelation 6.12 and Joel 2.31 Before the First Rapture and Tribulation Start

    Revelation 6.12 says, "there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood," and that this event occurs before the Tribulation starts, for the Tribulation is comprised of the 7 trumpets that follow which begin in verse 7 of chapter 8.

    The earthquake in Haiti 2010 killed the 2nd most people of any earthquake in history and is the 5th worst natural disaster in history. But on a nation-wide basis it produced the highest number of deaths per capita, so it certainly qualifies as the "great earthquake" of Revelation 6.12.

    In considering a rare solar eclipse, the H3 Hybrid Solar Eclipse on Nov. 3, 2013 is very rare. It is the 4th since Christ.

    The red blood moon, as predicted in Joel 2.31 before that great and terrible day of the Lord, is certainly met with the Lunar Tetrad in 2014/15. In fact, the combination of the H3-Tetrad is the first since Christ and I can't find any other instance of this. The Tetrad won't happen again on feast days until 2582/83.

    The probability of the Lunar Tetrad on feast days in 1949/50 and 1967/68 when Israel became a nation and entered Jerusalem is about 1 in 100,000 and with the H3 Solar Eclipse, it comes to 1 in 70,000,000. Add to that the Haiti Earthquake, the odds come to 1 in 141,000,000,000. That's right! 141 billion.

    All we need now is a 2,520 day period that starts on Feast of Trumpets (which represents the first rapture) and ends on Tisha B'Av because it is all about the Temple that Jesus will reign in for 1000 years when He returns. This is the date the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed so this greatly hurts God's heart and wants Israel to know He is thinking of them with these signs in the heavens. Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 is exactly 2,520 days. It doesn't work for 2014 or 2016. And the 1335th day of the Tribulation is after the final three feasts which lands on the 4th day from Simchat Torah when Israel takes out the items of the Ark of the Covenant and read the Torah Scrolls.

    What if we were to additionally say Jesus should return on a Sunday, because of the salvation of the cross, and only allow those 7 year periods where Tisha B'Av on Av 9 fell on a Sabbath so it was held the day after on Sunday instead (Av 10). Taking into account these factors the odds now come to 1 in 6,900,000,000,000. That's right! 1 in 6.9 trillion. I call that a sure thing!

    Why does God let us know now when His parousia for seven years begins? Are we not told that, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons" (Acts 1.7)? But wait a minute. We are also told after Israel becomes a nation (Matt. 24.32) we can know when Jesus returns "right at the door" (v.33). We can't know when the 1000 years ends (vv.35,36) nor can we know the hour of the first rapture (v.42) to be "taken" (vv.40,41), but it does not say we can't know the day. Ezekiel's prophecy is most amazing because if a person was discerning enough they could know when Israel would be a nation again straight to the month in 1948, yet Jesus didn't say anything about this when He said it is not for us to know the times or the seasons; so what I suggest is He is speaking generally to people. Generally, most people won't see it even Christians. But for the discerning they can know. Jesus speaks in this way because He does not want to overburden babes in Christ with these calculations. Even so they can be known.

    There are some other confirming points such as the 120th Jubilee is 2015 and there are 17,640 days from June 7, 1967 to the Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015. 2015 is the date of the beginning of the Tribulation. We would also like to see the Temple completed and dedicated so that there are 2300 days left to occur from the final day of the 4 day inspection of the lamb on April 21, 2016 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022, and that is in fact what we find. Moreover, we would like to see there be 1260 days for the Two Witnesses (Enoch and Elijah) from the first day of the inspection of the lamb on April 18 (Nisan 10), 2016 to Feast of Trumpets Sept. 30, 2019. We find this is the case as well. That being said, I feel this is enough corroborating points.

    So the reason we can know now is to prepare us, for if we "Watch therefore" (v.42) we shall be "taken" and not "left" (vv.40,41). Matt. 24.32-25.30 is speaking to Christians. It stands to reason if we are not watchful, even though saved and can't lose eternal life, we shall pass through the Tribulation and be raptured at the start of the last Trumpet instead (1 Cor. 15.23, 50-52; 1 Thess. 4.15-17; Rev. 11.15, 14.14-16, 15.2-4).

    Again we observe, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21.36). If a Christians is not watchful nor prayerful nor keeping the conduct of Matthew 5-7, he will not be accounted worthy to escape the Tribulation that shall come to pass and stand "before the throne" (Rev. 7.9) in 3rd Heaven before the Son of man.

    To triply confirm the first rapture is according to readiness-an advanced party and harbinger are found every sphere-let us seal the fact of partial rapture (or separate rapture) with these words: If "thou didst keep the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of trial, THAT HOUR which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" (Rev. 3.10). Do all Christians keep the word of His patience? Of course not. Many are tied down to the world like balloon, unwilling to be released, loving the world just a little too much for their own good. And notice this is not a keeping from just trials but the HOUR OF TRIAL of the Tribulation itself. God cannot promise that you will escape death in the Tribulation if you so enter, but He can promise to keep you from entering the Tribulation if you "keep the word of His patience". Amen. Therefore, not all Christians who are alive on Sept. 14, 2015 will be raptured alive, but will pass through the time of testing. This is an advanced party which includes martyrs from the past 20 centuries as indicated in the 5th Seal which also occurs shortly before th Tribulation and the 144,000 virgin firstfruits Christians (Rev. 14.1-5) who shall be closest to the Lord. 144,000 is the number because it is the pinnacle God seeks after: 24 hours per day x 6000 year-days comes to 144,000 hours, so one virgin firstfruit Christian for each hour.

    Now we know why it is important to know the day of the first rapture according to readiness and when the 7 year Tribulation takes place. Praise the Lord for this discernment! Amen.

    It should also be pointed out that amillennialists, postmillennialists and preterists are unsaved, thus they shall go to Hell, because they don't want a Jesus who will return to reign on earth for 1000 years with His overcomer believers over the nations (Rev. 2.26, 19.11-16, 20.2-7). But there is additionally a problem with pretrib and midtrib onlyists and posttrib or prewrath onlyists, because there they are in the Tribulation, not realizing it and accusing a couple million souls that have vanished by accusing them of being a "fake rapture" because if it was the rapture, the pretribber assumes he would have been included. They "accuse the brethren day and night" (Rev. 12.10). Likewise, the posttribbers will accuse us also. So we can't confidently say the various onlyists views who reject the multiple raptures are actually born-again. They have a strange spirit.

    And to top it off even if some of these accusers were saved, they most certainly would not be included in the reward of reigning with Christ during the 1000 years, so they would be cast into outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ for the 1000 years. Outer darkness is like a log cabin beautifully lit in the forest but you are not allowed to enter as one of the 5 wise virgins. You are excluded from the marriage feast of the millennium. Only after you have been disciplined for the 1000 years will you enter the New City with those who have been reigning on earth with Jesus. Outer darkness is also like painting a house. If you are sloppy with your paint brush in the work God has apportioned for you and not filling up your vessels with oil like the 5 unwise virgins, instead of being allowed to enter directly the shower, gasoline will need to be poured on your skin to get the paint off. This stinging effect is like the discipline of losing the reward of reigning with Christ in the millennium.
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    1. Scriptur's Avatar
      Scriptur -
      "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining" (Joel 3.14,15).

      "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring" (Luke 21.24,25).
    1. Churchwork's Avatar
      Churchwork -
      "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children." -Hosea 6:6
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      Churchwork -
      "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart..." —Matthew 13:15
    1. spiritualman's Avatar
      spiritualman -
      "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come" (Acts 2.20).
    1. spiritualman's Avatar
      spiritualman -
      "There shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars" (Luke 21.25). "The day of the LORD is near...The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining" (Joel 3.14,15). "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come" (Acts 2.20). Jesus said you can know the season even the day "right at the door" (Matt. 24.33) after Israel becomes a nation (v.32). We can know the day, just not the hour (Matt. 24.42). "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you" (1 Thess. 5.1). Joel and the John's vision even say, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come. And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake (Haiti 2010); and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair (H3 Solar Eclipse Nov. 3, 2013), and the moon became as blood (2014/15 Total Lunar Tetrad)" (Joel 2.31, Rev. 6.12) before the Tribulation starts Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to Aug. 7, 2022 Tisha B'Av (2,520 days).