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“They shall never perish,” says the Lord (John 10.28). Eternity exists before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and it extends beyond the events of the book of Revelation. In between these two is the temporary period which can also be called time. Between creation and the events of the book of Revelation Christians may receive punishment during this period.

In 2 Corinthians 5 we read: “we must all be made manifest before the judgment-seat of Christ; that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad” (v.10). Some will receive bad recompense. If this is not punishment, what is it?

Likewise, Luke 12 states: “And that servant, who knew his lord’s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes; but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more” (vv.47-48). The beating is both b efore and after the judgment seat. It incurs not only the loss of reward but also the possibility of being beaten.

With regard to the words “suffer loss” in 1 Corinthians 3.15 someone has said that any loss without the inflicting of suffering cannot be reckoned as the suffering of loss. The consequence of “abide not” is to “cast them into the fire” (John 15.6). This without a doubt speaks of punishment. Revelation 2.11 declares: “He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death”; in other words, he who does not overcome will be hurt of the second death. Who shall reign with Christ for a thousand years? The answer: “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years” (Rev. 20.6).

According to the original rendering of John 10.28, “they shall never perish” should be translated “in no wise shall they perish for ever”*—in other words, if believers should sin and fail to repent, they will suffer temporarily what the unbelievers will suffer eternally.

*The Englishman’s Greek New Testament with Interlinear Translation

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Faithful - 11-04-2010, 08:41 PM
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This self strength exhibited in keeping oneself saved is without dependency on Christ so non-OSASers worship a false Christ. Even the holiest man who ever lived who had an eternity to change his mind eventually would do so, for only God can remain faithful. Only He is perfect! This takes reverence to accept.

Anyone who changes their mind would go to Hell for eternity without recourse so if one thinks this through properly in the belief system of non-OSAS eventually everyone goes to Hell. They don't exactly tell you that in the Roman Church as that would be too obvious. Satan is the head of the Roman Church and wants everyone into Hell, but doesn't want you to realize what is happening to you.

The Roman Church teaches non-OSAS to control you, so you stay in line with their system.

But God is not a hard case. He is merciful and realistic. For Christians who falter they will lose rewards and not return to reign on earth for the 1000 years. We can't lose eternal life for God said, "If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself" (2 Tim. 2.13). The one true God has the power to keep us and keeps everyone of His elect so "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). Amen.

Those who are actually saved are the ones who gave their lives to the God to keep us, humbly accepting we can't keep ourselves saved.

Any youngster who reads John 10.28 could never change its meaning to "they shall perish" or "could perish". Over 1.5 billion souls in the 2 billion in Christendom believe this heresy of non-OSAS. Talk about a wide gate! Doesn't make you feel very special.

The idolatry of claiming you can be saved, lose it, gain it back, lose it again, on and on is so foolish and a point of pride to say look at me everybody, I can keep myself saved! I am great, I am powerful just like God.