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Churchwork
04-05-2006, 03:31 PM
People accuse calvinism as being wrong because they say it denies free-will. That is not what calvinists believe. They deem the choices made in the Bible free-will. There is so much sinning bearing false witness in the flesh of men. Ask any calvinist, and they will tell you they believe man has a free-will, so what are they really saying then?

What calvinists are wrong about is they believe they are premade for salvation like robots, which puffs up. They don't think they were premade for hell, but for heaven, because God saved them so they could believe. Their spirit can not sense it is wrong for God to premake people for just hell or heaven. They kill the image of God, because they say in order to come out of total depravity (a false teaching), they can't come to the cross from the image of God in which they are made (this first grace), but that God had to have unconditionally premade them irresistibly and limitedly, like the arian nation or natural selection. They truly despise Gen. 1.26,27, the garden choice an Abel's right offering. God foreknew the choice that Abel would make. He chose Abel because He foreknew his choice.

They really do despise that God can predestinate by foreknowing our choice. They have no faith to believe God is all-knowing to have this ability. So instead the calvinist believes the person needs to be preprogrammed long before to be saved - this is what they mean by "chosen," which is not in the same sense as "chosen" by God predestinating by foreknowledge (Rom. 8.29) of our choice.

"Chosen by premaking" does not glorify God. God does not want to walk with robots, but man made in His image who receives the cross. Obviously calvinism is a Pharisaical heresy, because though we are still fallen, we are still made in God's image, so yes, we can come to the cross, not by the will of the flesh but by that part of the will made in God's image which God allows us to receive the redemptive design. The image of God can not be destroyed by the mind of a calvinist. Never, and I repeat, never say that God saves you first then you can believe. This is a zombiism.

If a cult doesn't teach non-OSAS to (control you and passify you), they seem to want to teach calvinism (pride you up and passify you). In either case, the cult (RCC or Reformers, e.g. puritans, presbyterians, lutherans) want to passify you to control you into their system. It is not so pure or presbyr is it? Luther was notoriously confused, for he couldn't let go of the false teaching of total depravity while contradictorily still believing in resistible grace. Those who know anything about lutheranism know this matter always gets shoved under the rug. You can't have it both ways. Either we can resist God's grace because we are not totally deprave (though fallen), or we can't because we are zombies. Be "not doubletongued" (1 Tim. 3.8).

Churchwork
04-09-2006, 04:27 AM
"Total depravity" is considered in God's eyes to be an idol. Not only is the remedy in calvinism wrong to man's fallen nature, but so is their perspective on their version of what needs to be remedied.

They seek to remedy something that is not as they say it is, not being able to distinguish the difference between a fallen nature and a total depravity.

Remember clearly that total depravity is a condition, unlike the fall, which requires that the man need to be premade for salvation, because this totally deprave condition of the whole man will never be able to come to the cross and not even allow access of the image of God to come to the cross to receive saving grace unless the drawing is God's premaking.

This is the problem with fanatics and extremists is that their particular idol leads to additional mistaken assumptions as sin begets sin. I am not sure if they will ever be willing to repent. It is a very dangerous condition. I would not want to be in their shoes since God righteously God does not save this way and never will - a preservation of those non-saints.

Calvinism does deny original sin since they say the original sin leads to total depravity to the point of killing the image of God effectively unable to choose so that the drawing from God is God premaking the person like a robot. The fallen nature does not kill the image of God man is made in. Ironically calvinists are really pegagians because they den the original cause. The original sin causes man to fall, but not be unable to come to the cross, drawn and called by God. God wants to walk with those whom choose His life, not those who are premade out of total depravity. So in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, we reject any notion of legalisms why one might use if they were a bad lawyer.

Churchwork
04-10-2006, 01:55 PM
Of all the verses in the Bible, I can find none more powerful than this, to expose a calvinist, "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate" (Rom. 8.29).

They change "foreknow" to "know" because they can't have God foreknowing our free choice ("whosoevereth" John 3.16) made in His image.

Churchwork
04-11-2006, 04:46 AM
What do men who like to just self-declare things have in common with the great accuser? He can't back up his accusations either. He spouts whatever mindlessly. That's the proof. After the experience of talking to over 100 calvinists and reading it seems every faulty argument, the calvinist has nothing. If the calvinist is not the tare, then who? Calvnists try desparately with 1001 articles to show they are regenerated first before they can believe in the pride of thinking they are premade for salvation like a robot when they say God has to elect them unconditional to cause them to have faith. Crazy stuff!

Christians, my brothers and sisters in Christ, believe that we are elected conditionally in humility. That is, God foreknew our choice before the foundations of the world (Rom. 8.29). Calvinists hate this verse so much they literally try to change the word foreknow to know because they despise God's omniscient foreknowledge and the image of God in our free-choice. From pelagian false view of original sin to the false teaching of total depravity to the man-made ideology of regeneration before faith roboticism, ends up effectively killing the grace of the image of God to choose which then is a believing in a corrupted lesser god (gnosticism).

Even a calvinist is not an automaton, though I am sure they feel like one as that is how they come across. They cannot sense their conscience is dead because it can't sense this premaking could never glorify God and God would not want to be with robots. Calvinists are oblivious they are going to hell as the tares. They really don't believe in Jesus Christ. Wow!

It is sad to lose even one soul to hell. Christians need to learn to kick the dust under the feet and leave a calvinist remain in their own you know what. I would be happy to help them if their spirit was open, but they don't want to be saved, not really. We should not cast pearls before unsave swine. We could be sinning if we try further to help them when we have done all we can do. It is a waste of time for God's children to help a dullard who will never be born-again.

This is what they are saying about themselves by their own words, so John 3.18 says they are condemned already. I really believe they are condemned already by God Almighty because they will never repent and are eternally hostile to God in their inner man, even deeper.

This has been a very powerful message for me to know in all my experiences with calvinists, they are the tares of Matthew 13 whom Jesus will put the sickle to, and may anyone who reads this message sence the authenticity of these words, so less people are corrupted by the pride of calvinism. Though I am at peace with this knowing some people just want to go to hell, I believe God is very angry with those who try to look like the saved wheat without every truly repenting to the cross. Perhaps there is nothing worse. You might even say their hell will be worse than the hell for atheists/agnostics.