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Thankful
02-17-2011, 10:03 AM
(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”


(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 04:58 AM
Distinguish between 1) being sinless before God clothed with Christ able to approach the High Priest without being naked, 2) committing sin, even knowingly, though saved but not without disciple or loss of rewards (but not loss of eternal life), and 3) hyperbole, for obviously no man has never not sinned or been selfish either before or after salvation, for no man can by the law be saved since no man can keep it but Jesus, but we can do something most amazing! We can die to the law with Christ so it can't work in us as well as allow the cross to work a deeper incision in our lives and bear our cross daily; even so, as long as we are in these bodies of flesh there is always the possibility of sinning or being selfish until we are clothed with newly resurrected bodies. Amen.

Thankful
02-21-2011, 07:18 AM
Distinguish between 1) being sinless before God clothed with Christ able to approach the High Priest without being naked, 2) committing sin, even knowingly, though saved but not without disciple or loss of rewards (but not loss of eternal life), and 3) hyperbole, for obviously no man has never not sinned or been selfish either before or after salvation, for no man can by the law be saved since no man can keep it but Jesus, but we can do something most amazing! We can die to the law with Christ so it can't work in us as well as allow the cross to work a deeper incision in our lives and bear our cross daily; even so, as long as we are in these bodies of flesh there is always the possibility of sinning or being selfish until we are clothed with newly resurrected bodies. Amen.

What else would Satan want a sinner to say?
(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”


Jesus came to defeat Satan/sin. A Christian is a temple of God where no sin exists.


(1 John 5:18) “ We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the one who was born of God keeps him safe, and the evil one cannot harm him”

(1 John 3: 5 - 6) “ Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him.”

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 07:36 AM
You're reading these verses legalistically, for according to your interpretation not even Paul is saved as Paul said he did not do things he knew he ought to do and did things he knew he ought not to do. What you are misunderstanding in these verses is that with God's life it is a sinless life that does not sin. And this is the life a Christian has. He is not a legalizer like you. According to your interpretation since you will be selfish or sin in the future, you are going to Hell. As you judge others falsely that judgment comes upon you, in this, that you will go to Hell for violating your own law you make unto yourself. This is reality. Better you accept it now than priding yourself over a lie. You're lying to yourself that you think you will never be selfish or commit a sin for the rest of your life. Look at the number of sins in your profile which is an ongoing continual sin in your heart.

Thankful
02-21-2011, 07:49 AM
You're reading these verses legalisically, for according to your interpretation not even Paul is saved as Paul said he did not do things he knew he ought to do and did things he knew he ought not to do. What you are misunderstanding in these verses is that with God's life it is a sinless life that does not sin. And this is the life a Christian has. He is not a legalizer like you. According to your interpretation since you might be selfish or sin in the future, you are going to Hell.

You are right if I ever deliberately commit a sin I will go to Hell.

People who still sin have to find ways to justify him or her self. So they listen to man’s teaching about God, and because most men sin they keep learning from Satan. A sinner is a slave of Satan. So people keep following teachings that are from Satan.

Ask yourself who taught you about God?

(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 07:55 AM
Nothing in the Bible says if you deliberately commit a sin you will go to Hell, so not sure where you thought I agreed with you? According to you a rapist who doesn't think they are sinning because it is not deliberate won't go to Hell. Your faith is morally bankrupt.

You are creating a man made teaching for yourself and are a slave to Satan, following his teaching, which is evident by the fact you believe in salvation by works when the Bible says those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). And that's just for starters. You're a mess.

Ask who taught you about your god because it was not God.

Thankful
02-21-2011, 08:18 AM
Nothing in the Bible says if you deliberately commit a sin you will go to Hell, so not sure where you thought I agreed with you? According to you a rapist who doesn't think they are sinning because it is not deliberate won't go to Hell. Your faith is morally bankrupt.

You are creating a man made teaching for yourself and are a slave to Satan, following his teaching, which is evident by the fact you believe in salvation by works when the Bible says those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). And that's just for starters. You're a mess.

Ask who taught you about your god because it was not God.

First you are wrong there is scripture that tells us if one who knows God deliberately commits sin he or she will go to Hell.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

In the second place a person who is guided by the Holy Spirit is in no danger of committing a wrongdoing. Any one who knows God will have no trouble knowing what is or isn’t a sin.

(Galatians 5:16) “Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 08:56 AM
Again you are reading this out of context. The context is: "Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people" (v.29). They were never born-again to begin with just as you are not born-again since you rely on self-strength to be saved and to keep yourself allegedly saved. This is why you boast you never sin which is a lie, for you have several false teachings in your profile.

You're reading legalistically. The reason you can't understand this is because "we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit" (1 Cor. 2.13). You don't have the Holy Spirit.

Picture a circle and its center. In the center are the seemingly least sinful people and outer edges are the most evil people like the Antichrist. Once a person is born-again they are taken off that circle altogether and placed in a new circle with Jesus at the center. This circle is not as big a the other circle, but it still has every every kind of Christian, some sinning more than others and some more selfish than others. The circle is smaller because they are circumscribed by not doing some things those in the larger circle would because of their new life. The people in the smaller circle all have eternal life which can never be lost, but only the inner circle within the smaller circle will receive the reward of returning with Christ during the millennium. They all could have been in the inner circle, but sadly many do not. So they go to another place which is another circle of "outer darkness" outside the light of rewards of reigning with Christ during the millennium.

To show this inner circle more clearly, we read,

"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years" (Rev. 20.4).

Do all Christians fit this description? Of course not. Notice the 3 groups in view here.

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 09:14 AM
20.4 Three classes of people will reign with Christ:

(1) The overcomers will sit on thrones, and judgment will be given to them (20.4a). This shows that they have inherited the kingdom (see also Dan. 7.10,18,22—“Saints of the Most High”).

(2) The martyrs throughout the 20 centuries (“them that had been beheaded”—20.4b). These are the souls under the altar as shown in the fifth seal (6.9f.). It is for “the testimony of Jesus” that they are killed.

(3) The martyrs during the Great Tribulation. These are those who do not worship the beast nor his image, and upon whose foreheads and hands no mark of the beast is received (20.4c).

“They lived”—Let us notice two things:

(1) These people are not resurrected at the time of 20.4. Their resurrection is merely retraced here as an accomplished fact. John does not see them resurrected at that moment; he only acknowledges that they live.

(2) Those here who live include not only the resurrected but also those who are raptured alive; for we cannot assert that only those who are resurrected reign here with Christ; since even though the number of people who are raptured alive may not be great they nevertheless shall reign with Christ too.

20.5 “The first resurrection”—This does not necessarily mean that there is only one resurrection, nor does it denote that there are many resurrections. It simply signifies this as being the “best” resurrection.

The word “the” includes the two things mentioned in the last clause of 20.4:

(1) “Lived” and (2) “reigned”: The best resurrection means to live and to reign. Such a resurrection is a reward, for there is a reigning with Christ for a thousand years as well as a being resurrected.

“The second death” of 20.6 is in contrast with “the first resurrection”, because the latter means to enjoy glory while the former means to suffer eternally. Hence the first resurrection is none other than the time of recompense (Luke 14.14, 20.34-36).

What Paul says in Philippians 3.11 is not an expecting to be raised from the dead (for all the dead shall be resurrected), nor an anticipating the resurrection of the spirit (for the resurrection of the spirit is already accomplished at the time of new birth). No, what Paul is looking forward to is the “out-resurrection” from among the dead, which is this “best” resurrection spoken of here in 20.5, even a reigning with the Lord.

Read again Philippians 1.23-25. There in that epistle’s first chapter Paul is saying that he will live; he is not contemplating death. How, then, can he be talking about resurrection? He clearly states in Philippians 3.20,21 that he waits for the coming of the Lord. Consequently, what he anxiously hopes for is to reign with the Lord.

“The rest of the dead” naturally includes all the unsaved sinners. Their resurrection will come to pass a thousand years later.

20.6 “Blessed” should be translated literally as “happy”—Those who appear to be happy today may not be holy, while those who are holy can hardly be happy today. The first resurrection is blessed in three ways:

(1) “Over these the second death hath no power”—The second death is the lake of fire. Those who have no part in the first resurrection may yet be hurt by the second death. Some Christians will be disciplined in the future (see Matt. 18.34,35). He who wrongs his brother will be punished by the Lord (1 Thess. 4.5,6). We believers are exhorted to fear Him who has authority to cast into hell (Greek, gehenna), thus implying that over some Christians hell still has its threat (Luke 12.4,5). If a branch does not abide in Christ, he, like a branch, is liable to be cast off, withered, cast into the fire and burned (John 15.6).

Some, though, may ask, Does not the Bible teach that once a person is saved he will never perish? Why then do you say here that Christians may appear as though to perish? This is due none other than to a misunderstanding of some Scripture verses such as the following:

“He shall never see death” (John 8.51,52) is actually “he shall not forever see death” in the original, and “he shall never taste of death” is “he shall not forever taste death” in the original.

“They shall never perish” (John 10.28) is “they shall not forever perish” in the original (The Englishman’s Greek New Testament with Interlinear Translation).

“Shall never die” (John 11.25,26) is “shall not forever die” in the original.

(2) “They shall be priests of God and of Christ”—The significance of a priest is to draw near to God. This people shall be very close to God for they shall have a special relationship with Him and Christ. Today we all are priests, therefore all may draw nigh to God. But in the millennial kingdom only those who have part in the first resurrection shall function as priests to God and to Christ.

Aaron functioned as priest because his rod budded. The budded rod represents resurrection. Whoever is chosen priest is proven by resurrection.

When the children of Israel came out of Egypt they all were destined to be priests (Ex. 19.6). Due to their worshiping the golden calf, however, God later chose the family of Aaron to be priests.

“They shall be priests . . . of Christ”, since at this time Christ shall receive worship as much as God himself is worshiped.

(3) “And shall reign with him a thousand years”—As a rule, in Old Testament times no king was able to be a priest, and no priest, a king. But here is a people who are both priests and kings. As priests, they draw near to God; as kings, they rule over the earth. Only those who have suffered are entitled to reign and enjoy glory with Christ.

Here we are told only the fact that they do reign, we are not informed as to how they reign. No doubt the reigning here is heavenly in nature.

Thankful
02-21-2011, 09:59 AM
Again you are reading this out of context. The context is: "Think how much more terrible the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God and have treated the blood of the covenant as if it were common and unholy. Such people have insulted and enraged the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to his people" (v.29). They were never born-again to begin with just as you are not born-again since you rely on self-strength to be saved and to keep yourself allegedly saved. This is why you boast you never sin which is a lie, for you have several false teachings in your profile.

You're reading legalistically. The reason you can't understand this is because "we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit" (1 Cor. 2.13). You don't have the Holy Spirit.

Picture a circle and its center. In the center are the seemingly least sinful people and outer edges are the most evil people like the Antichrist. Once a person is born-again they are taken off that circle altogether and placed in a new circle with Jesus at the center. This circle is not as big a the other circle, but it still has every every kind of Christian, some sinning more than others and some more selfish than others. The circle is smaller because they are circumscribed by not doing some things those in the larger circle would because of their new life. The people in the smaller circle all have eternal life which can never be lost, but only the inner circle within the smaller circle will receive the reward of returning with Christ during the millennium. They all could have been in the inner circle, but sadly many do not. So they go to another place which is another circle of "outer darkness" outside the light of rewards of reigning with Christ during the millennium.

To show this inner circle more clearly, we read,

"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, and reigned with Christ a thousand years" (Rev. 20.4).

Do all Christians fit this description? Of course not. Notice the 3 groups in view here.

Do you still sin? I do not sin. Jesus told us to judge by the fruit produced.

You dare to judge me, saying that I am depending on my strength to stay sinless. Paul in Romans seven told us that man could not ever defeat Satan/sin.

In Romans eight Paul tells us that when one is possessed by God, then God will not allow Satan/sin near his home.

When one learns to obey and live the Word of God, he or she will become the home of God.

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 10:30 AM
Paul sinned. You're sinning with your false beliefs and Satan has a firm grip on you, but you are not even born-again since you reject God of the Bible who says those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28).

Thankful
02-21-2011, 11:50 AM
Paul sinned. You're sinning with your false beliefs and Satan has a firm grip on you, but you are not even born-again since you reject God of the Bible who says those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28).

What is so sad is that you along with so many have bought into Satan’s lies. Talking to people with your understand of God’s Word can make me cry. You have accepted Satan’s/Man’s understanding of Scripture, and dare to judge other who don’t agree with you as evil.

To believe what you believe is a twist of the Written Word that needs to ignore much of the written Word of God.

foreversaved
02-21-2011, 11:54 AM
You're avoiding the fact those who are born-again "they shall never perish" (John 10.28). You're living lie.

And you claim you are sinless yet you claim you can lose salvation, so as soon as you commit one sin or one act of selfishness you will go to Hell according to your view and will have to get saved again. The reality is God simply won't save you in the first place with your works salvation.

Since you exhibit several false teachings in your profile in the questions you answered then according to your faith, you are unsaved because false teaching is a sin.

Just like the Roman Church professes the Assumption of sinless Mary and a sinless Pope, you believe you are sinless, exalting yourself on high, yet you are sinning all the time here. Such sinlessness teaching is utterly delusional and requires high regard for self.

Paul said he struggled with his sin and self all the time; we should work out our salvation fearfully. You're not being fearful claiming you are sinless and selfless already. Get off your delusional high horse.