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spiritualman
01-30-2011, 02:33 AM
re: GordonHide @ atheist.net


You should note that the religiosity of the American prison population has been examined and Atheists and Jews are heavily under-represented. Christians are over-represented in prisons.

The other thing you could do is compare Canadian or American crime rates with those of the Scandinavian countries where religiosity is very low. You will find that the religious are far more dishonest than the non-believers.
A higher incarceration rate could be due to higher morality, whereas other countries make less effort to stop criminals out of fear and collusion. Regarding Scandinavian countries, Norway, for example, on wiki says 85% claim to belong to a Christian church.

We are only concerned with Christianity verses all other faiths including agnosticism and atheism.

80% of people in American call themselves Christians. But based on the savings ratio, generously speaking, 1% are actually born-again so 0.8% of Americans are actually Christians; that's 1 in 125 Americans saved.

13% of people in American are atheist or agnostic. They are all unsaved, because Jesus said if you are not for Him you are against Him.

Those in prison who claim to be Christian is 70% so the rate goes down from 80% which is good, but no true Christians go to jail for would Jesus behave that way? No, of course not. So the difference between 80% and 70% would indicate that no true Christians go to jail. Now there are less who call themselves Christians in jail, as none of the real Christians would go to jail in the first place.

There are 20% who are atheist or agnostic in jail so the rate goes up from the 13% of the American population being atheist/agnostic. What this indicates is that a higher percentage of atheists are in jail than the general public in society indicating the evil nature and immorality that stems from natural selection.

http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

We are not to compare religions with atheism/agnosticism since all religions are false except Christianity. Some could even be worse than atheism/agnosticism.

Atheism/agnosticism is itself a religion. For example communism in the Soviet Union was a dysfunctional society. Stalin killed 40 million people. Mao killed 70 million and Hitler killed 30 million. Japan is atheist and was a murderous killing machine in WW II.

I'll leave you to think if you are more honest than other religions, but you guys are all unsaved and going to Hell since salvation is only through Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which one can be saved.

The raw death numbers alone makes atheism the most evil religion on this planet. And certainly you don't compare to Christianity. There are no atheist charities. They are all Christian. The body of Christ is the highest morality on this planet since God chose us before the foundations of the world. He considers the Church the most precious pearl on this planet in Matthew 13.

Atheists are bad people, clearly proven by this data. They have a higher percentage of people in jail than they should more than any other group.

Clearly the data doesn't agree with you.

What's more is that Jesus had no sin, so no Christian would go to jail anyway since that is not Christlike. No matter how you try to fudge things, it doesn't matter anyway, since Jesus never hurt anyone. To be in Christ is to be Christlike. By definition that means you don't do anything that would send yourself to jail. Except for that stuff that is not your fault for there are many who are antichrist who try to put Christians in jail if they can't find a way to kill us.

_shalom_
07-15-2011, 07:11 PM
There is no such thing as a real and not real Christian in that sense. A Christian is a person saved but still with the potential to sin. Hence a sincere Christian with faults being worked upon by God might very well DO an un Christian act. He wouldn't be following Christ at that point, but he is still a Christian.

Also a Christian who has faltered should be honest and want to be treated justly for his misdemeanour. Indeed a Christian may be called to disobey human laws to follow Christ's path. What about that prisoner?

Atheists are not bad people. They might be people doing bad things, just as a believer has the potential to do bad things. Atheists are precious to God. Why else would he send his believers to save them? We mustn't be like the elder brother of the prodigal son tempted into sin by his jealousy. God want's to bring all of his people to him to give him glory.

spiritualman
07-15-2011, 09:49 PM
The greatest sin is to reject God so saying an atheist is not a bad person would be way off. Unsalvation leads to eternal separation. On the other hand Jesus died for atheists and all unregenerates, for we all are made in His image with a right to be saved if we receive what His Son did for us on the cross.

_shalom_
07-16-2011, 04:26 AM
I think to call a person 'bad' is to pre-judge them. It's a final statement suggesting that God is unable to perform his work on them.

spiritualman
07-16-2011, 04:51 AM
I think as that person is right now if they were to die this second they would go to Hell because they reject their Creator and Savior. Who can say such a person is not a bad man for how much worse can it get than Hell as judgment upon man's character who in is heart of hearts actually wants to be eternally separated from God and locks himself in Hell from the inside?

It is not a final statement, but a correct statement of your actual condition in the here and now. A child who comes of the age accountability will accept God and His Son. Why should he wait decades? Each decade that goes by becomes exponentially harder for a person to give into the Father. In fact, I don't know anyone above 50 who ever gave their life to Christ. How old are you?

The problem is you don't realize what it is to be a sinner. It is an immediate rebellion and independency against God. How can you give your life to Christ if you don't have a correct view of the old creation and man's sin nature or at least some semblance of understanding?

_shalom_
07-16-2011, 03:59 PM
Do you have a biblical reference for older people finding it harder to become Christian?

I'd agree of course that the time is now. Why live in death at all when you don't have to.

spiritualman
07-17-2011, 03:19 AM
I am sure there is, but I just can't think of one at the moment.