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Churchwork
05-31-2009, 12:36 AM
White wrote, "We know, naturally, that we are to have God's glory as our highest goal, our highest priority. So it should not be at all surprising that the most profound answer Scripture gives to the question of 'what's it all about' is that it is about God's glory. All of salvation results in the praise of the glory of His grace."

Those are nice words, but what does White actually mean? How can predestinating multitudes to eternal torment be to the glory of God's grace-and how even the salvation of the elect could glorify God if He could have done the same for all, but didn't?

The Bible teaches that those in hell will be there because, although God didn't want them to go there and lovingly provided and freely offered full salvation they reject it.

Considering this fact, to say God's sovereignty would be denied if man had a choice doesn't seem very tenable nor as foolproof as it once was to even the most staunch Calvinist. The Calvinist doubts his own salvation because he can never really know if he is saved, because it was never his choice. Calvin even said you can never really know except by working for your salvation and that "God causes some of the non-elect to imagine they have believed and are among the elect, the better to judge them." Are you sure you aren't just imagining you are one of the elect since it was not up to you, you didn't have a choice? But if you work for it you can maintain the salvation you think you have you might not in fact have. Hence, the perversion of "perseverance of the saints," not the osas arminian, God keeping "preservation of the saints."

Couldn't God make a sovereign decision to allow man free will? Take a look at what this critic of Calvinism says:

What takes the greater power (omnipotence): to create beings who have no ability to choose-who are mere pawns on God's cosmic chessboard-or to create beings who have the freedom to accept or reject God's salvation? I submit the latter.... Would a God who ordained the existence of immortal beings without making any provision for them to escape eternal torment be a cruel being? What kind of God would call on mankind to "believe and be saved" when He knows they cannot [and] what kind of relationship is there between God and people who could never choose Him-but are "irresistibly" called...? For these and other reasons I question the idea that individual unconditional election and five-point Calvinism best reflect the attributes [and attitude] of God. A God who sovereignly offers salvation to all through His elect Savior reflects both power and love.
Should we merely only question the idea? I see no other explanation than James White does worship the Devil and very well may know it. He knows exactly what he is doing and is getting off on deceiving people. One reason to suspect this is man is very talented. He can concoct many lies and weave many untruths into a seemingly coherent palatable explanation. Just think of Enron to name but one example. For the sake of money, Christianity doesn't sell as well unless you can add in something that lets people hold onto their flesh and still think they are saved.

However much power, evil or otherwise, it may take to create people for the purpose of sending them to hell or save them irresistibly, does it not take greater power to create man to be able to have the choice to receive or resist God's grace for salvation? And thus, God of the Bible is greater than the God of Calvinism.

When going over the many reasons why Calvinism is wrong, James White doesn't have a conscience to intuit and reason out why, even after the reason is clear laid out. He will, like Joseph Dillow, find some way, however absurd, to rationalize it away. Hence, he does not have the Holy Spirit in his spirit, because he has never been regenerated. He has never been regenerated, not because he has never been regenerated, but because he refuses to repent (whether he thinks he can or not) to and believe (whether he thinks he can or not) by faith (receiving this gift from God) in Christ to be regenerated/saved/born-again by the grace of God. This is called "resistible grace." And we see it witnessed in James White. Instead of genuine repentance and belief, he requires it be imposed upon him without the choice. His choice to refuse to have the choice is a choice to refuse God.

Praise the Lord for this discernment. May these words help lead James White to Christ.

Churchwork
05-31-2009, 01:22 PM
How does deliverance for a Calvinist take place?

Just go back to the word of God and trust it instead of listening to what Calvinists have to say about it. Take the Word for what it says instead of having to change Scripture to fit Calvinism.

"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" (John 15.16). Why complicate what is so simple? Christ was saying nothing more than any employer could say to each employee-that the employer's choosing was decisive. God chose those He foresaw would accept Him. The employee could not force the employer to hire him; but neither could the employer force someone to work for him. Though the employer was completely in charge, the employee had to consent to being hired.

Likewise, we can't force Christ to accept us by merely assuming we were regenerated which makes us or causes us or programs us to repent, have faith and be saved. God does not obligate Himself by your assumptions especially since you refuse to repent first. Salvation alone is by His mercy, grace and love. Our faith is essential. Salvation is only for those who repent to the cross, believe and receive in Christ and then are regenerated.

Your choice.

Faithful
05-31-2009, 01:34 PM
"Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart" (John 12.39-40). White also quotes John 8.34-48, "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word...." He then declares:

Again the Reformed and biblical view of man is presented with force: Jesus teaches that the Jews cannot (there's that word of inability again) hear His word and do not understand what He is saying...they lack the spiritual ability to appraise spiritual truths.
If the unregenerate Jews were totally depraved and dead in sins as Calvinism defines it, unable in that condition to see or believe, surely God would not have needed to blind their eyes and harden their hearts. The fact that God finds it necessary to blind and harden anyone would seem to be proof that unregenerate men are able to understand and believe the gospel after all.

But why would a loving God deliberately blind the eyes of the lost whom He loves to prevent them from believing the gospel? Especially with God's continual lamentations over Israel for her refusal to obey, and His repeated expressions of desire to forgive and bless her.

Since Israel was already in rebellion against God, why would He further harden hearts? There would have to be good reason for doing this, a reason that would not diminish God's love and mercy; a reason that must apply equally to the Jews in Isaiah's day and yet speak prophetically of those in Christ's day. What could that be?

Inspired of God, Israel's prophets laid out her sin, rebellion, and stubbornness. For example, God through Isaiah laments, "Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth:... I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me" (Is. 1.2). God knew their hard hearts and that there was no point in pleading with them further. But He was going to use them to fulfill His purpose declared by His prophets, just as He used Pharaoh.

God would send His Son to reveal His great love, to open the eyes of the blind, heal the sick, raise the dead, feed the hungry, offer Himself to Israel as their Messiah, weep over Jerusalem here on earth as He had done repeatedly from heaven through His prophets in ages past, and die for their sins and for the sins of the world. He would not allow that purpose to be frustrated by a momentary sentimentality that might cause them, while still rejecting Him, to still not to insist upon the cross. It is better this way now showing how decrepit they have become, God knowing they will put to death their own Messiah who pays the ultimate ransom.

They yell out, "Away with Him, crucify Him!" This was what their hard hearts really wanted. And to make certain that they did not relent at the last minute of humanistic pity, God hardened their hearts and blinded their eyes. So Peter could say, "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain" (Acts 2.23).

Similar blindness can be seen by those left behind at the First Rapture (which takes place at Rev. 7.9, not chapter 4) who have heard and left the gospel. There are consequences for Christians too (proving antinomianism is false) though believers can never perish. If you are truly in Christ, but do not keep the word of His patience (Rev. 3.10), are not prayerful (Luke 21.36), watchful (Matt. 24.42) and keeping the conduct of Matthew 5-7, you're a non-overcomer and will have to go through the time of testing with opportunity yet to "overcometh" (see the 7 church periods in Rev. 2 & 3) during the Tribulation so that you may receive your reward. This consequence exists also for false doctrine teachers such as those who teach pretribulation onlyism, young earth creationism, posttribulation onlyism, bipartite man, denominationalism, non-denominationalism or congregationalism. You should be teaching partial rapture, gap restoration, our being tripartite and biblocality (otherwise known as Scriptural locality). If you still lie on a bed of fornication or are still tied down to the world, then you will be cast into outer darkness (which has no fire or furnace about it) to be disciplined-outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ for the 1000 years. Certainly, Christians are not immune to delusion, even strong delusion. But addressing specifically the unsaved, "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: that they might be damned..." (2 Thess. 2.10-12). For what cause? Because "they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved...who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." God would help them to believe the lie their already hardened hearts wanted to believe.

Here we see not a God who arbitrarily blinds people so they can't be saved, but a loving God who is also perfectly just in giving unrepentant rebels the desire of their hearts, which leads to their damnation. They rejected the truth, so God helps them to persist in that rejection. Nor would He need to blind them if they were totally depraved as Calvinism defines it.

"The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned [i.e., revealed alone by the Holy Spirit]" (1 Cor. 2.14). But there Paul is not referring to the gospel that is to be preached "to every creature" (Mark 16.15). He is addressing believers and referring to "The hidden wisdom...the deep things of God," which are only revealed by the Spirit of God to those who are indwelt by and walking in obedience to the Holy Spirit.