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everstill
02-04-2009, 10:56 PM
Ben Rose insists that "God does not bring anyone into the kingdom against his or her will," yet that statement is clearly contradicted by the phrase "irresistible grace." If, under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, man could make a genuine choice to believe and to receive, there would be no need for grace to be "irresistible."

Some Calvinists who are not true their calvinism (understandably so) because of embarrassment and guilt, will say grace is irresistible when it comes to receiving eternal life, but after one is coerced from total depravity into being regenerated without the choice, they then can resist, except they can't resist salvation. There was no repentance to receive the gift of life in the first place, for they were just regenerated first, but repentance is required for everything else!? What then was the point of John the Baptist urging repentance if they were already regenerated?

Westminster Confession of Faith continues with the total depravity double-talk:

All those whom God [Satan] has predestined unto life, and those alone, he is pleased...effectually to call...to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ [Antichrist]; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God [Satan]...renewing their wills, and, by his almighty power...effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ [Antichrist]; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace [Satan's grace].
But what does the Bible say? "We...beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain" (2 Cor. 6.1). "These things write I unto you, that ye sin not" (1 John 2.1). Grace is resistible and so it is resisted by being a calvinist. Calvinists limit God. We are even told that they "limited the Holy One of Israel" (Ps. 78.41). They "rejected the counsel of God against themselves" (Luke 7.30) and refuse to obtain the believer's faith and obedience as "labourers together with God" (1 Cor. 3.9). How can they then respond to the call to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"? (Phil. 2.13) "The gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 6.23) which must be willingly received, otherwise it is not a gift offered by God.

everstill
02-05-2009, 11:38 PM
What Does Christ Teach?

The lost sheep, coin, or wayward son (Luke 15.1-32) do not seem to represent true children of God who have wandered away and are being brought back by God but rather examples of lost mankind.

In telling the prodigal's story, Christ uses language that contradicts Calvinism. The "totally depraved" prodigal realizes his situation, comes to a decision, makes a choice, and acts upon it by his will: "And when he came to himself, he said.... I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee...." Christ does not say that the prodigal, being totally incapable of understanding his situation, or of repenting and returning to the father, was irresistibly drawn by the father.

Although the prodigal "was dead," and was "lost" (Luke 15.24), that did not prevent him from being moved in his conscience and choosing to return of his own volition to the father. If the prodigal does not represent the unregenerate lost sinner dead in sin whom God welcomes in love, then the Calvinist must admit that salvation can be lost--which neither side believes.

everstill
02-05-2009, 11:59 PM
By the way, it seems strange to say that in the Westminster Confession of their faith that there can be a renewing of the will and enlightening of the mind as though the will was somehow pristine and the mind was working properly before since they are all born totally depraved. When did they have this properly working mind and pristine will when they were born totally depraved?

If you are wondering why nothing makes sense in Calvinism, it's probably because it doesn't, it is wrong, corrupted, overassuming and the belief system of the false tares trying to look like the saved wheat.