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Churchwork
09-18-2007, 11:33 PM
Scientific Proof for God (video) (http://www.torentcrestin.net/details.php?id=1375&hit=1)

If you change the ozone by 1% life can't exist on earth. Somebody went through a lot of trouble to balance the universe. The amount of information in a single cell could fill 100 million pages of an Encyclopedia. The probability of forming just basic enzymes is 1 to power of -40,000, which far surpasses the the number of atoms in the universe (1 to the power of 160).

The account of William Ramsey in the late 1800's proved the Bible was written in the first century. He thought Luke made errors about the census in Bethlehem to surmise that the Bible was written centuries later by monks. A discovery was made of a parchment from 104 AD that confirmed a census did in fact take place in Bethlehem. The governor in question was Governor twice. Those who had written the Word of God were indeed eyewitnesses. H.I. Hastings wrote:
"The Church of God is an anvil that has worn out many hammers. So the hammer of infidels have been pecking away at this book for ages, but the hammers are worn out, and the anvil still endures. If this book had not been the book of God, men would have destroyed it long ago. Emperors and popes, kings and priests, princes and rulers have all tried their hand at it: they die and the book still lives." The Bible is the most easily accessible book, printed in the most languages and sold many times over more than any book in history. It is the freest books ever known to mankind.

Robert W. Faid, an American nuclear engineer and scientist denied the existence of God. He had cancer, then was miraculously was healed with no explanation. He was later told that his wife organized over 200 Christians to pray for him. With no scientific reason for the recovery, he began to look further at God. From a scientific perspective, he could not deny God's existence. He wrote a book, A Scientific Approach to Christianity (http://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Approach-Christianity-Robert-Faid/dp/0892211865).

What about the rumor game? The dead sea scrolls are dated 125 BC. In it the Isaiah scroll matches exactly with the Masoretic text of the book of Isaiah read in 916 AD. And the same text today is exactly the same. In it predicts the coming sacrifice of the Messiah, which is not after the fact.

David Hunt said,
"Every time the skeptic said something that is not true about the Bible when the archaeologists finally dig up the evidence, the Bible is right 100% of the time and the skeptics are wrong. I read everything all the atheists, skeptics and the critics have ever said about this Book that I could find. And the more I read the more it strengthened by faith because they had such pitiful arguments. There is not a good argument you can give against the Bible and existence of God."Manuscripts of the Bible total over 13,000, but other ancient texts have anywhere from only 1 to 20 copies and are written centuries later, sometimes over a millennia later. If you are to accept these famous texts, then how much more the Bible?

Jewish hygienic laws were far ahead of their time. For example, circumcision took place on the 8th day, not the 7th or 6th. It is only recently been discovered the clotting factor reaches its peak on the 8th of day after a child is born as noted by Ian Taylor, historian.

Daniel is told by the angel Gabriel the time would be 483 years for the coming of the Messiah, or Palm Sunday when Jesus rode in on a donkey presenting Himself as the Messiah. That is impressive, but also is impressive the prophecy in Daniel the exponential increase in knowledge in the last generation. We see that today. Only this generation can you track the buying and selling so pervasively. Also, the Bible says if Jesus does not return man would use these technologies to destroy himself, which was not possible just a hundred years ago with arrows, muskets and cannons.

No nation in history has been reborn, both its language and people, after being out of existence for 2500 years. Yet, we find Israel was revived and they speak Hebrew again as was prophesied.

Simon Greenleaf, the famous and foremost lawyer on the rules of evidence, said upon the evidence, what we admit as evidence in a court of law, and testimony, Jesus is who he claimed to be. There is no doubt about it. He is the Son of God, was resurrected and is as sure as any event in history. He has changed my life.

I remember seeing the movie Apocalypse and its sequels and recall the lawyer they were referring to in the 3rd sequel was Simon Greenleaf.

Since God can foresee all things, wouldn't we ask Him some things? Wouldn't we want to know what is in store for the future?

DD_8630
11-24-2007, 11:01 AM
If you change the ozone by 1% life can't exist on earth.
Most of modern life can't survive with you change the ozone layer by too much, yes.


Somebody went through a lot of trouble to balance the universe.
A priori assumption, and a faulty one at that: modern life has evolved to fit the ozone layer (among other things), not the other way around. Do you marvel at how precisely a puddle fits the hole it sits in?


The amount of information in a single cell could fill 100 million pages of an Encyclopedia.
Define 'information'.


The probability of forming just basic enzymes is 1 to power of -40,000, which far surpasses the the number of atoms in the universe (1 to the power of 160).
1^(-40,000) = 1. Are you claming that this formation is inevitable?

Perhaps you meant 10^(-40,000)? But 10^(-40,000) << 10^160. What on Earth are you on about?


The account of William Ramsey in the late 1800's proved the Bible was written in the first century.
No. The most he could have done is evidence beyond reasonable doubt. That said, the majority of the Bible was composed before Jesus was (allegedly) born. Did you forget the Torah? Indeed, is it not telling that there is not a single contemporary verifiable historical document that attests to Jesus and/or his actions (e.g., sacking the Temple)?


He thought Luke made errors about the census in Bethlehem to surmise that the Bible was written centuries later by monks. A discovery was made of a parchment from 104 AD that confirmed a census did in fact take place in Bethlehem. The governor in question was Governor twice. Those who had written the Word of God were indeed eyewitnesses. H.I. Hastings wrote:
"The Church of God is an anvil that has worn out many hammers. So the hammer of infidels have been pecking away at this book for ages, but the hammers are worn out, and the anvil still endures. If this book had not been the book of God, men would have destroyed it long ago. Emperors and popes, kings and priests, princes and rulers have all tried their hand at it: they die and the book still lives." The Bible is the most easily accessible book, printed in the most languages and sold many times over more than any book in history. It is the freest books ever known to mankind.
Fascinating. Your point?



Robert W. Faid, an American nuclear engineer and scientist denied the existence of God. He had cancer, then was miraculously was healed with no explanation. He was later told that his wife organized over 200 Christians to pray for him. With no scientific reason for the recovery, he began to look further at God.
Correlation does not imply causation. People are cured from illness with no known explanation all the time. That some of them are being prayed for is merely incidental. Indeed, what say you to the countless double-blind studies that show absolutely zero improvement directly caused by prayer


From a scientific perspective, he could not deny God's existence. He wrote a book, A Scientific Approach to Christianity (http://www.amazon.com/Scientific-Approach-Christianity-Robert-Faid/dp/0892211865).
Richard Dawkins wrote a book to: The God Delusion (http://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/055277331X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1195926205&sr=8-1).


No nation in history has been reborn, both its language and people, after being out of existence for 2500 years. Yet, we find Israel was revived and they speak Hebrew again as was prophesied.
Self-fulfilling prophecy. No other nation has had such fervent believers calling it the Promised Land (or whatever it's supposed to be). Hebrew remains the de facto official language for the same reason the Qu'ran remains in its original language.



Simon Greenleaf, the famous and foremost lawyer on the rules of evidence, said upon the evidence, what we admit as evidence in a court of law, and testimony, Jesus is who he claimed to be. There is no doubt about it. He is the Son of God, was resurrected and is as sure as any event in history. He has changed my life.
Funny how he didn't actually present any such evidence.


Since God can foresee all things, wouldn't we ask Him some things? Wouldn't we want to know what is in store for the future?
If you're a True Christian™, you'd know that divination is forbidden. Maybe that's why?

Churchwork
11-25-2007, 01:25 AM
Divination is attempting to tell the future without the leading of the Holy Spirit.

DD_8630
11-25-2007, 09:00 AM
Divination is attempting to tell the future without the leading of the Holy Spirit.
On the contrary, divination is foreseeing the future by any supernatural means. Using a deity, Christian or otherwise,

Now, if you'd care to respond to the main body of my post...

Churchwork
11-28-2007, 02:27 AM
The supernatural means is of the unholy kind and is without relying on the Holy Spirit for revelation in your spirit.

Here is a negative usage of divination..."And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger" (2 Kings 17.17)

Regarding the text of the Bible, 95+% of scholars agree Paul really believed what he wrote in Gal. 1 & 2 and 1 Cor. 15 that he met with the apostles and had the same eyewitness testimony of the resurrection of Jesus.

Using the Minimal Facts Approach (http://biblocality.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4151&postcount=1), we find your argument is against what scholars agree on. If you can't account otherwise for the most trusted material of Paul's claim, then accept Christ into your life. If you don't want to be saved, then hell awaits you.

DD2014
05-13-2009, 09:58 AM
You still fail to respond to the main body of the post.

Churchwork
05-13-2009, 02:33 PM
Take for example, divination. This is by contacting the evil spirit, not God's Spirit. You did not respond to this point. We can move onto other points once you address this one in the main body of your post.